"Friends, read why BOBO does not want to respond to our argument about God ‘s word in 2 Samuel 7:14:
“No I use the article because it already addresses the objection against 2 Samuel 7:14, you just simply keep repeating the argument and won't respond to it.”
My answer to BOBO: Once again BOBO, you really did not get the point why we dismiss all that you have written about 2 samuel 7:14, which only proved how dull you are.
The ONE who spoke in 2 Samuel 7:14 is God Almighty through His prophet Nathan to David, and reading the said verse, God said:
I WILL BE HIS FATHER, AND HE WILL BE MY SON. WHEN HE DOES WRONG, I WILL PUNISH HIM WITH THE ROD OF MEN, WITH FLOGGINGS INFLICTED BY MEN.
II Samuel 7:14 (NIV)
Was Jesus a descendant of David? Yes
Was Jesus flogged by men? Yes
Therefore it only means that the reason why Jesus was forsaken by God to be punished by the floggings of men because Jesus did wrong."
The same NT Lawin quotes from shoots his claim in the foot, that the crucifixion is the flogging mentioned in 2 Samuel 7:14. The crucifixion AGAIN has no connection to the punishment in 2 Samuel 7:14 and the reason Jesus died on the cross was due to the SINS OF OTHERS. Once again, Lawin hasn't said anything.
Hebrews 4:15 in the SAME NT even confirms my point, so you are still stuck with the article and haven't addressed me: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html
I said: "Now regarding 2 Samuel 7:14. It is often misused to say that Jesus is a sinner. I would argue however that the when he commits iniquity statement is a WHAT IF scenario rather than a will be scenario, so there isn't a problem here at all. Some translations even say "IF HE COMMITS INIQUITY". Furthermore, the author of Hebrews has more than one passage in mind regarding this section, which are Psalm 2:7 and 1 Chronicles 17:13. One explanation offered by the Gills exposition of the entire Bible is this:
"I will be his father, and he shall be my son,.... That is, I will be as kind unto him, and careful of him, as a father of a son; or he shall be, and appear to be my son, by adopting grace, as no doubt Solomon was, notwithstanding all his failings. This is applied to Christ, the antitypical Solomon, who was, in an higher sense, the Son of God, even by natural and eternal generation; see Hebrews 1:5,
if he commit iniquity; which cannot be supposed of Christ; for though he was made sin by imputation, he neither knew nor did any, but may be supposed of his spiritual offspring, whom he represented as an head and surety, as of Solomon, who committed many sins and transgressions:"."
"Now you made your objections- because according to “you” and your studies’ what God said in the said verse is not about Jesus when it is so clear that the said floggings happened to Jesus- a descendant of David.
Now the man whom we listened to about what God said in 2 Samuel 7:14 and how it came to happen to Jesus was Maestro Evangelista of (insert website here)
So it’s your interpretation of 2 Samuel 7:14 against Maestro Evangelista.
How do people know once and for all who speaks the truth about the word of God, that truly speaks the meaning of what God said?"
The truth has already come through the Gospel, your prophet doesn't have that truth.
"Let us read what God said before how can we know who among the both of you speaks the truth about God
God said:
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I WILL PUT MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH, and he will tell them everything I COMMAND HIM. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks IN MY NAME, I myself will call him to account.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19 (NIV)
It is so clear that when it comes to His words, God said that He will send a prophet like Moses whose mouth HE WILL PUT HIS WORDS and He will send that prophet to speak about His Name-meaning God will guide him in explaining to us ALL THE TRUTH about His Name
Now Maestro Evangelista, the man who explained on how the said word of God in 2 Samuel 7:12-14 about being punished by the floggings of men happened to Jesus, had proven himself that He is the prophet like Moses (deut.18:18-19) when he revealed the real name of God in the scriptures, which he did not study nor researched about but a testimony to what God said that HE WILL PUT HIS WORDS in His prophet’s mouth and reading God ‘s word in Deut.18:15 God said:
The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. YOU MUST LISTEN TO HIM.
Deuteronomy 18:15 NIV
“YOU MUST LISTEN TO HIM.”- That is what God said about His prophet like Moses- WE SHOULD LISTEN ONLY TO THAT PROPHET –because what he speaks came not out of his own research, but from GOD and GOD is the one who commanded him.
The mere fact that God said He will put His words in His prophet's mouth only means that for a man to perfectly explain the word of God, it should be God who have taught him not man."
What the hell has his lack of knowledge got to do with his supposed prophethood? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Putting words in his mouth refers to the words that God will utter through him, namely it refers to the prophets of the TANAKH, whom God used as their mouthpiece to speak to the Israelites and Jesus was the culmination and ultimate fulfilment of that prophecy. Once again, It refers to the JEWS OR ISRAELITES!! NOT to other nations, so again Erano is disqualified. Read it:
"Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from YOUR BROTHERS—it is to him you shall listen—"
Moses is speaking to the congregation of ISRAEL, the prophet comes from their people, which disqualifies not only Muhammad, but also Erano is excluded from being a possible candidate of being the prophet like Moses. .
"That said, how can we listen to what you speak about what Maestro Evangelista has revealed when his revelations in (insert the website here), ABOUT THE NAME OF GOD proved he is the said prophet whom God mentioned in deut.18:18-19 that people should only listen to when it comes to His words?
You did not get it do you?
You cannot also cite Jesus as the said prophet because the said revelation of maestro Evangelista exposes Jesus was put to death for his own wrong and therefore not the said prophet."
I CAN cite Jesus as the said prophet and already demonstrated that Jesus doesn't fall under the condemnation of the passage of 2 Samuel 7:14. Your prophet didn't expose anything.
"Reading your objections you said:
Once again, the burden is on Erano, not me, considering I have never claimed to be a prophet, let alone the one in Deuteronomy 18:18. I am a Gentile and not Jewish so immediately I am not in the prophetic line of Israel in Deuteronomy 18. The more I read Erano's website, the more I am flabbergasted at his misuse and abuse of the text of the scriptures. Only someone who doesn't know the scriptures, be they Jew or Christian who would be taken in by the nonsense that Erano is espousing. Erano is the one on which the burden rests, since he claims to be the prophet of Deuteronomy 18 or the ultimate fulfilment of such passage. Thus my points which Lawin quotes still stand.
Here is what he always keep on saying: “the burden is on Erano “
My answer: BOBO, the burden is no longer with maestro Evangelista when he revealed the name of God in (insert website here).
To ask such proof only means you did not read the said articles in (insert website) intelligently.
You will respond- if I did not read it then how was I able to refute it?
Even if you say such words- you still did not read the (insert website) articles intelligently
Why?
Because you read the whole article in (insert website) backwards- You first question his proof of being the prophet like Moses before knowing how he was able to do the entire revelations which was recorded and uploaded in (insert website here)
You did not understand that the message he revealed about the name of God proved that all he had revealed about Jesus, the lies made by the apostles is true because it is what God had put in His mouth and commanded him to do as he is God’s prophet like Moses-SENT TO SPEAK IN HIS NAME. You just make yourself the idiot that you really are when you still ask for Maestro’s proof
Why should we ask you and remind you that your explanations are of no value because you are not the prophet sent by God?
You do not understand why it is important that you must first prove yourself as a prophet of God before you speak about God. If you are not a prophet then it means it is not God who had put His words in your mouth to make such interpretations."
I don't have to claim to be a prophet to read the Bible and interpret it, Nor again do I claim to be a prophet. But me denying being a prophet doesn't prove Erano to be a prophet. Also, People can read a document from beginning to end and STILL reject it. Just simply reading something does not* prove that document to be inspired. People, little or much intelligence, can read any religious document and still come away from it unchanged, which would entail your prophet's writings as well. The onus of proof is not on me to prove that Erano isn't a prophet, the proof is on him to show he is the said prophet. The comparison between me and him is a false one, apples and pineapples essentially.
All you have done is assume that Erano is a prophet from YHWH who was sent by him. Stop assuming what you have yet to prove.
"Especially when you said the following:
"Lawin assumes that Job was given full knowledge of life after death, which he also assumes with Adam and Eve later on in his paper. Not every single piece of information about the afterlife was revealed to one person, but to several overtime, for example Daniel in his book in Chapter 12, it speaks on a resurrection of the dead to which the good rise to life whereas the evil rise to everlasting contempt. No prophet was given the entire story of the resurrection of the dead and the afterlife, it was something revealed as more of the TANAKH was written by inspiration of the Holy Spirit of YHWH. Furthermore, the righteous dead in the TANAKH went down to Sheol, the place of the dead and would remain there until Jesus came to take them to heaven. The evil doers were left in Sheol to await judgement."
Yawn
Such words only show you did not read intelligently all the articles in (insert website) because if you did, you would not have insisted your understanding of Daniel 12.
Tsk Tsk"
No argument was given here, just another assertion made. My point stands.
"What did you say:" Furthermore, the righteous dead in the TANAKH went down to Sheol, the place of the dead and would remain there until Jesus came to take them to heaven. The evil doers were left in Sheol to await judgement."
How can you know that-have you been there To Sheol and have seen the dead there?
You also said
“Being righteous doesn't mean that you would know and understand everything, that's a non-sequitor. Just because Job, Noah and Daniel were righteous men, that doesn't automatically mean that they had full knowledge of the life beyond. It is not an insult to say that someone doesn't have a clear understanding if they haven't been given that understanding.”
Again, you forgot who spoke in Ezekiel 14:10-12, It is God, you snake. the same God who said we should listen to the one whose mouth He had put His words- the prophet like Moses,
How can you say that what God meant about Job, Daniel and Noah being righteous is in accordance to what you speak when it is not God who had put His words in your mouth to interpret His words?"
I know it was God who spoke in Ezekiel 14:12-14, but again, They didn't have knowledge and revelation that later generations would, but they were nevertheless faithful to God and remained as righteous men. Your constant mantra and whining Lawin about me not being the prophet and thus don't have to be listened to is nothing more than meaningless and empty rhetoric to dodge the issues I raise.
"Also you said:
"Deuteronomy 18 DOES refer to the Israelites having a prophet coming from THEM, not from Arabs, not from Europeans, Africans or Asians and certainly NOT from the Philippines, thus Erano is NOT the prophet like Moses. Even appealing to those passages do not help him because Deuteronomy 18 has physical Israel in mind, not a spiritual Israel which both the TANAKH and the NT do not teach."
And
"yes Moses was be taught by God, but how does this pertain to Deuteronomy 18? Let me remind you what it refers to:
"the prophet like Moses is not limited to one individual and it culminates in Christ being the ultimate fulfillment of the prophecy, not some Gentile from a distant land who is centuries removed from the time of Christ."
Let "you"? Who is this "you?"
Are "You" a prophet of God? Did God put His words in your mouth to explain what it is in His mind when He said His words in deuteronomy 18:18-19?
There is no "You" in "You"- You are nothing. You admit you are no prophet remember?"
Still no answer provided to my point at all. Lawin has simply ignored what I have said.
"how can you say Jesus himself is the prophet like Moses when failed to live prove himself as he was put to death.
Not only that, your interpretation of Deut.18:18-19 is not what God said in Deut.18:18-19 where He said " If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks IN MY NAME, I myself will call him to account.Deut.18:19
As it is written, God said that the coming prophet, NOT LITERAL SON will speak in HIS NAME, God never said that the said prophet will be put to death for the sins of men.
Once again you are speaking differently from what God said, thus exposing yourself as the real snake here.
The mere fact that Maestro Evangelista was able to reveal God’s name and how the said word of God in 2 Samuel 7:14 was first given to Solomon and then passed by God to jesus, and why Jesus deserved to suffer the floggings decreed by God only proved that God is the one who had put His words into Maestro’s mouth thus you can no longer say that he is not the prophet like Moses. Nor can you insist your explanations against him.
The truth is , the more you speak against him, the more you set yourself up to be mocked and despised by the whole world because you are insisting that God allowed his own Son to be killed just to save Humanity when in reality as God said in Zech.13:9 all that they need to do is to call on His Name for them to be saved and for them to know His Name they should listen to His prophet like Moses."
Coming in the name of God can also mean coming in one's authority and not just limited to knowing the name of YHWH. Also as I have said before, Jesus death is IRRELEVANT to the criteria to being the prophet like Moses and is not the point which is made about the prophet about Deuteronomy 18. The prophetic office of Israel would do signs and wonders like Moses and proclaim YHWH's name, but obviously they must not lead the people into Avodah Zara (alien worship, which is worshipping YHWH in the wrong way), nor lead them into worship of other gods as Deuteronomy 13 warns us about:
"13 [a]If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you."
Before anyone tries to argue Jesus is condemned by this text, I have already addressed the misuse of Deuteronomy 13 here in these articles:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/deuteronomy-13-question-of-vindication.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/deuteronomy-13-question-of-vindication-2.html
"What did you say about Zech 13;9 and Hosea 2:23?
"Both Hosea 2:23 and Zechariah 13:9 speak of Israel's restoration back to YHWH and possibly bringing in the Gentiles into future reconciliation, not by becoming Israel or replacing it, "
How can you say you have what is in God's mind when He said such words in Zech.13:9 and hosea 2:23 when you are not the prophet whose mouth HE WILL PUT HIS WORDS, WHO WILL SPEAK IN HIS NAME.
Compared to you, Maestro Evangelista truly speaks about the name when the revelation of God's name was fulfilled in him thus He is the said prophet like Moses, who knows what God has in mind when He said those words not because he studied God's word- it is because God has put His words in His mouth.
Tsk tsk- You are truly an idiot of the basest degree when you put God's words in your mouth in making your foolish explanations."
Again, empty rhetoric and once again, Lawin has not addressed my points. Me affirming I am not the prophet like Moses doesn't make his prophet automatically such. It's as bogus as Peter being the Rock proves the papacy. This is circular reasoning that Lawin is giving "Oh how do you know God said this my prophet is telling you what he says".
"Whether you like it or not, it is you who should first show that you are the said prophet of God before we listen to you. That is your burden.
Also your idea of a resurrection comes from your literal understanding of Daniel 12 while our understanding of it comes from the prophet whom God commanded us to only listen to,whose mouth God has put His words and sent to speak in His Name- the prophet like Moses, maestro Evangelista.
The truth that there is no afterlife in heaven was already explained by Maestro Evangelista and how humanity were deceived by the apostles about it was long uploaded in the website.
Read what God has put in His mouth and commanded him to reveal to all people of the world:
(Website inserted here)"
And I have already responded to the article about the apostles here: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html
No response to my argument has been presented to me ladies and gentlemen. My arguments have not even been touched.
I am going to say this again, The onus of proof of proving themselves to be a prophet is NOT ON ME, because I have never made that claim of being prophesied by Moses. The onus of proof is on the one who claims to be a prophet and Erano is the one who is guilty until proven innocent.
"Bottomline is this- You are no prophet. You are nothing. Do not wait for the time that God Himself will do what He said in deut.18:18-19 to people like you.
By the way, where is the Biblical proof that God sent you to the Jews?
As for your link- We, share your http://answering-judaism.blogspot.com/
so that people will compare the difference between you, an idiot who explains the word of God based on his own research thus insisting what he has in mind is what God also has in mind, and the man in (insert link here) who is the real fulfillment of what God said in Deut.18:18-19 about a prophet whose mouth God "will put His words" (meaning the man whom God will reveal what He has in mind when He had said His words in the scriptures and will guide him on what to read and on how to explain it)and will send to speak in His Name- Thus it is God indeed who revealed such knowledge to him.
You on other hand does not post our links on your articles and even remove our comments on your page. That's cowardice on your part."
Lawin, I was simply making a point of allowing your prophet to be exposed by me personally, that's the reason I thanked you for sharing. Also, I do not link to websites run by false prophets and have no desire to give credence to Erano.
Plus, My point about being an apologist to the Jews has absolutely nothing to do with the claims about your prophet nor is it a claim to prophethood. A Christian is called to do God's will and he or she may be given different tasks or are given a burden to reach out to a certain group. Some may have been called to deal with Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, some are called to deal with Christian Cults and others may be called to deal with other religions. Christians can be called for a mission and a purpose once they have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. My case, I desire to see the Jews and Eranoites come to the knowledge of God and abandon their false religions.
The reason I began removing your comments was because you kept repeating the same arguments OVER and OVER again and I am not interesting in going around in circles. I have better things to do with my time than constantly refute the arguments of a person who keeps repeating the same errors over and over again.
Your method and the method of your friends in your apologetics will not help you in a debate. Rabbinic Jewish Counter-Missionaries, be they Yisroel Blumenthal, Moshe Shulman, Michael Skobac, the late Immanuel Schochet, Eli Cohen etc, would easily refute your religion in a debate and destroy your arguments ONE by ONE.
My advice to the Eranoites who have read my material, do yourself a favour and stay out of apologetics.
Answering Judaism.
* Friday 7th of June 2024. I missed out the word not. My apologies.
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