There were two texts raised to me regarding blood atonement in context of Manasseh and Hezekiah. The
main objection is that the two didn't need a sacrifice for forgiveness.
Hezekiah particularly was praying for the people whereas Manasseh prayed for
himself, I will show both texts on screen.
Both are set in the context when the temple was still in operation, which
IS a factor which does play here. Let's look.
"2 Chronicles 30:15 They slaughtered the Passover
lamb on the fourteenth day of the second month. The priests and the Levites were
ashamed and consecrated themselves and brought burnt offerings to the temple of
the Lord. 16 Then they took up their regular positions as prescribed in the Law
of Moses the man of God. The priests splashed against the altar the blood
handed to them by the Levites. 17 Since many in the crowd had not consecrated
themselves, the Levites had to kill the Passover lambs for all those who were
not ceremonially clean and could not consecrate their lambs[a] to the Lord. 18
Although most of the many people who came from Ephraim, Manasseh, Issachar and
Zebulun had not purified themselves, yet they ate the Passover, contrary to
what was written. But Hezekiah prayed for them, saying, “May the Lord, who is
good, pardon everyone 19 who sets their heart on seeking God—the Lord, the God
of their ancestors—even if they are not clean according to the rules of the
sanctuary.” 20 And the Lord heard Hezekiah and healed the people."
"2 Chronicles
The Lord spoke to Manasseh and his people, but they paid no attention.
11 So the Lord brought against them the army commanders of the king of Assyria,
who took Manasseh prisoner, put a hook in his nose, bound him with bronze
shackles and took him to Babylon. 12 In his distress he sought the favor of the
Lord his God and humbled himself greatly before the God of his ancestors. 13
And when he prayed to him, the Lord was moved by his entreaty and listened to
his plea; so he brought him back to Jerusalem and to his kingdom. Then Manasseh
knew that the Lord is God."
In both texts, God answers the prayers of both individuals with the people
being healed afterwards and Manasseh seeking the Lord and turning from sin
itself. However for the life of me, what is to stop the people from making
atonement AFTER the prayer? Both texts do not indicate implicitly that the
people did not make atonement for their iniquities afterwards. It is something
which is inferred. Does every context have to say "REPENT AND
SACRIFICE"? No, that would be redundant.
When I went to church on Sunday 6th of October 2013, I went to read 2
Chronicles 30-34 for responding to the argument that was brought to my attention
a while back, and I had a think.
One argument I made in the comments
page was that a righteous remnant of of Levites in the rightous remnant of
Israel made atonement in Hezekiah and Manasseh's day. Limitbreak pointed out
regarding Hezekiah the following in response to this comment.
"You could perhaps make that assumption in the
case of Manasseh, but not Hezekiah, as in Hezekiah's case, the text is explicit
in that they Levites were not doing the blood sacrifices for everyone who
needed it, and PRAYER is what atoned for that sin. With Manasseh, you could
perhaps argue that maybe the remnant of the Levites were doing sacrifices
correctly, but being as the kingdom was in such a disarray of apostasy, the
chances are slim to none. Either way, Hezekiah's PRAYER atoned. Not blood."
The chapter in question can be read in the description below:
"30 Hezekiah sent word to all Israel and Judah and
also wrote letters to Ephraim and Manasseh, inviting them to come to the temple
of the Lord in Jerusalem and celebrate the Passover to the Lord, the God of
Israel. 2 The king and his officials and the whole assembly in Jerusalem
decided to celebrate the Passover in the second month. 3 They had not been able
to celebrate it at the regular time because not enough priests had consecrated
themselves and the people had not assembled in Jerusalem. 4 The plan seemed
right both to the king and to the whole assembly. 5 They decided to send a
proclamation throughout Israel, from Beersheba to Dan, calling the people to
come to Jerusalem and celebrate the Passover to the Lord, the God of Israel. It
had not been celebrated in large numbers according to what was written.
6 At the king’s command, couriers went throughout
Israel and Judah with letters from the king and from his officials, which read:
“People of Israel, return to the Lord, the God of
Abraham, Isaac and Israel, that he may return to you who are left, who have
escaped from the hand of the kings of Assyria. 7 Do not be like your parents
and your fellow Israelites, who were unfaithful to the Lord, the God of their
ancestors, so that he made them an object of horror, as you see. 8 Do not be
stiff-necked, as your ancestors were; submit to the Lord. Come to his
sanctuary, which he has consecrated forever. Serve the Lord your God, so that
his fierce anger will turn away from you. 9 If you return to the Lord, then
your fellow Israelites and your children will be shown compassion by their
captors and will return to this land, for the Lord your God is gracious and
compassionate. He will not turn his face from you if you return to him.”
10 The couriers went from town to town in Ephraim
and Manasseh, as far as Zebulun, but people scorned and ridiculed them. 11
Nevertheless, some from Asher, Manasseh and Zebulun humbled themselves and went
to Jerusalem. 12 Also in Judah the hand of God was on the people to give them
unity of mind to carry out what the king and his officials had ordered,
following the word of the Lord.
13 A very large crowd of people assembled in
Jerusalem to celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread in the second month. 14
They removed the altars in Jerusalem and cleared away the incense altars and
threw them into the Kidron Valley.
15 They slaughtered the Passover lamb on the
fourteenth day of the second month. The priests and the Levites were ashamed
and consecrated themselves and brought burnt offerings to the temple of the
Lord. 16 Then they took up their regular positions as prescribed in the Law of
Moses the man of God. The priests splashed against the altar the blood handed
to them by the Levites. 17 Since many in the crowd had not consecrated
themselves, the Levites had to kill the Passover lambs for all those who were
not ceremonially clean and could not consecrate their lambs[a] to the Lord. 18
Although most of the many people who came from Ephraim, Manasseh, Issachar and
Zebulun had not purified themselves, yet they ate the Passover, contrary to
what was written. But Hezekiah prayed for them, saying, “May the Lord, who is
good, pardon everyone 19 who sets their heart on seeking God—the Lord, the God
of their ancestors—even if they are not clean according to the rules of the
sanctuary.” 20 And the Lord heard Hezekiah and healed the people."
I went back to the text regarding the Levites and what was interesting was
reading from 2 Chronicles 30:15-27. When we look at the text, as clear as day
the Passover couldn't be carried out mainly due to the fact that not enough
priests who were present to consecrate themselves for the task. Hezekiah then
arranges for the people to come down to Jerusalem in order that they may
celebrate the Passover as they should do. The text in context shows that the
Levites themselves are ashamed because of their uncleanliness brought about by
idol worship, hence why the incense altars were thrown into the Kidron Valley
and they then decide to consecrate themselves. Afterwards there were enough
priests and Levites to carry out the functions found within the Mosaic Law.
If the Levites and the priests are able to carry out the Passover now that
there is enough of them to do so, Who is to say that they did not make
atonement for those who were unclean, who ate the Passover anyway regardless of
their condition. If the Levites are doing their job properly, which is what
verses 15-20 indicate, then they are able to make atonement in conjunction with
Hezekiah's prayer, rather than one or the other alone.
Here is a more detailed argument that I gave on Dr. Brown's page before I was banned. Here it is:
ReplyDeleteHere is a passage from Tanach which proves the falsehood of Hebrews 9:22. Lets go to II Chronicles 30:16-20, where it is HEZEKIAH'S PRAYER and NOT BLOOD which ATONES for the sins of the people...
II Chronicles 30:16. And they stood in their station as was their custom, according to the Torah of Moses, the man of God; the priests sprinkled the blood from the hand of the Levites.
II Chronicles 30:17. For there were many among the congregation who had not consecrated themselves, and the Levites were in charge of the slaughter of the Passover sacrifices for everyone who was unclean, to make it holy for the Lord.
II Chronicles 30:18. For a multitude of the people, many from Ephraim and Manasseh, Issachar and Zebulun, had not purified themselves, for they ate the Passover sacrifice not as it is written, for **Hezekiah had PRAYED**for them, saying, **"MAY THE GOOD LORD ATONE FOR**
II Chronicles 30:19. anyone who has set his whole heart to seek God, the Lord, the God of his forefathers, though [he be] not [cleaned] according to the purity that pertains the holy things."
II Chronicles 30:20. **And THE LORD HEARKENED TO HEZEKIAH and HEALED the people.**
The Hebrew word יְכַפֵּר is used in verse 18. It means ATONE! Here we see that in the case of Hezekiah's passover, many of his Israelite guests DID NOT cleanse themselves with BLOOD according to the Law of Moses. In order to ATONE for the sins of his people, King Hezekiah PRAYED TO HASHEM that he should grant ATONEMENT for all those in his Kingdom who truly turned their hearts to Hashem.
Now, to further expand on this...In verse 16, it clearly states that the Levites were in charge of sprinkling BLOOD to purify Israel as it is stated in the Torah of Moses...Now, verses 17 and 18 say that there were many in Israel WHO DID NOT PURIFY THEMSELVES WITH THE **BLOOD** AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE TORAH!
When someone disobeys a Law in the Torah, what do we call that? We call it a SIN! Here, there were individuals who SINNED by NOT being purified by the LEVITICAL PRIESTS OF THE HOLY TEMPLE with BLOOD! Now, according to Hebrews 9:22, the only way to ATONE FOR SIN is through BLOOD! But here, the sin that was committed was that they DIDN'T use blood for atonement...So how is this sin atoned for? According to Hebrew 9:22, it has to be blood! But is that how this sin was atoned for? NO! The Levites were NOT doing their job to purify Israel with the blood, yet their sins were atoned for in this manner:
II Chronicles 30:18 **Hezekiah had PRAYED**for them, saying, **"MAY THE GOOD LORD ATONE FOR**
II Chronicles 30:19. anyone who has set his whole heart to seek God, the Lord, the God of his forefathers, though [he be] not [cleaned] according to the purity that pertains the holy things."
II Chronicles 30:20. **And THE LORD HEARKENED TO HEZEKIAH and HEALED the people.**
The sin that was committed involved the Levitical Temple priests NOT doing their job in order to purify the whole of Israel. But despite the fact that this sin was committed, the sin of those not purified with the blood was atoned for through PRAYER!
Thus, Hebrews 9:22 is a false statement...
And here was another argument I made to a christian who claimed that this verse said nothing about Hezekiah's prayer atoning for sin. I think you will find it interesting:
ReplyDeleteLet me post for you II Chronicles 30:18-19 once again, concerning King Hezekiah's prayer and its ATONING effects on those who SINNED by not partaking in the required BLOOD sacrifice concerning Passover.
II Chronicles 30:18 **Hezekiah had PRAYED**for them, saying, **"MAY THE GOOD LORD ATONE FOR**
II Chronicles 30:19. anyone who has set his whole heart to seek God, the Lord, the God of his forefathers, though [he be] not [cleaned] according to the purity that pertains the holy things."
II Chronicles 30:20. **And THE LORD HEARKENED TO HEZEKIAH and HEALED the people.**
The Hebrew word יִּרְפָּא is used in verse 20 for the word "healed." The root of this word is רְפָּא which means heal. Amazingly, this same root is used in Isaiah 53:5
Isaiah 53:5. But he was pained because of our transgressions, crushed because of our iniquities; the chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wound we were **HEALED.**
The Hebrew word נִרְפָּא is used in verse Isaiah 53:5 for the word "healed." This shares the SAME ROOT with יִּרְפָּא as shown above. In both cases, (Isaiah 53:5 and II Chronicles 30:20) a form of the word רְפָּא is used for the word "healed."
So, do you still want to dismiss Hezekiah's prayer as atonement for sin? Clearly, the atoning language in II Chronicles 30:18-20 parallels the language used in Isaiah 53:5!
Your points are noted. You'll be please to hear I won't be banning you from these pages. I like a good challenge.
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