"He will show the whole world that God created man not to suffer all the hardships and sufferings which were caused by the false teachings of the religions about God.
Why did God create man?
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
Genesis 1:26-27 NIV
As it was written, God created man (both male and female) in HIS own image and likeness – this was God’s intention in creating man.
Maestro Evangelista explains: what does created in God’s “image and likeness” mean?
As for me, I will be vindicated and will see your face;
when I awake, I will be satisfied with seeing your likeness.
Psalm 17:15 NIV
In another version:
As for me, I will see Your face in righteousness;
I shall be satisfied when I awake in Your likeness.
Psalm 17:15 NKJV
As written above, in God’s likeness means to be in accord with God’s righteousness. Maestro Evangelista explains that God created man to be in His image, not in physical form (as we cannot see God – Exodus 33:20) BUT to be in ACCORD with His righteousness.
Mankind’s progress in science and technology does not attest that there is no God. As a matter of fact IT IS A TESTAMENT TO THE FULFILLMENT OF THE WORD OF GOD that He created man in HIS image. Like Him, mankind has now utilized his power and intellect to create technologies that benefits society. This means that God did not create man to suffer but rather to be LIKE HIM in being a creator, to innovate things to make life better for himself and for his fellowman."
Being created in God's image refers to us being able to think and reason and work things out as God does. It also refers to man being vice regents of co rulers of the earth and that God has allowed us to rule to the earth. Christians do not claim it refers to God having a physical form. Suffering was not part of God's original plan and that suffering was a problem that came into the world as a result of human sin and rebellion.
"However, there is still one lacking element on how man can truly be in God’s image:
And he said to man, ‘The fear of the Lord-that is wisdom,
and to shun evil is understanding.’
Job 28:28 NIV
To be in accord with God’s righteousness is to acknowledge His true Name and obeying all His statutes and laws because by doing so, we truly fear God and shun evil!
How can people shun evil when they worship or revere the man Jesus, who was punished by God for his own wrongdoing?
How can man claim that he truly obeys God if He does not know His Name? He is ignorant of God’s Name because He did not listen to God’s word in Deuteronomy 18:18-19 to heed His words that His prophet like Moses has revealed about His Name!
It is only now (in our current time) that man can truly say that he is in God’s image of righteousness because the true Name of God may only be known through His prophet like Moses.
We can now appreciate the reason why God gave us His laws because His over-all plan of creating man (male and female) is to be in His (God’s) Image (Genesis 1:26-27); or to be like HIM in righteousness (Psalm 17:15). This means that to be like God in wisdom and understanding, we must acknowledge his true Name and obey His commandments."
2 Samuel 7:14 is addressed here: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html
The worship of Jesus DOES entail shunning evil and sin. By his death on the cross and sending the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity to live inside us, Jesus enables Christians to love the Father with all their heart, mind, soul and strength, as well as himself. Having God's righteousness does not entail having to know what God's name is, BUT WHO HE IS. His laws were given to show what he expects of us and also how bad we are before a holy God.
The subject of calling God by his name or not is dealt with here: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-true-authority-and-true-glory-of.html
"Once humanity understands the truth why God had created mankind (which is to be like Him in wisdom and understanding by following His commandments and to shun evil), we may now realize that the major cause of man’s misery and poverty are the religions. They misled mankind with their false teaching that their suffering is God’s test for them to enter ”eternal life in heaven”.
“He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth;”- this is why it is written in:
She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.
Revelation 12:5 (NIV)
“who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter” - The “iron scepter” means the Word of God that the prophet like Moses, Maestro Evangelista reveals to the people of the world.This is what he will use in crushing the Head of the serpent or in exposing Satan, with the word of God that was put in his mouth by God.
When we read Malachi 3:1 again, we may understand why no one may stand against the prophet like Moses (who is also the Messenger of the covenant) when he appears. This is so because the prophet like Moses has the word of God in his mouth or iron scepter, while the religions only have the deceptions of Satan.
You may also notice that the ones who continued Jesus’ deception, (who will be crushed by the “Word of God”) came first before the one whom God will send to crush them, the prophet like Moses. Therefore, there is no other choice for the religious leaders but to accept the true teachings of God that the real Prophet like Moses brings. They should not wait for the time that the people of the world will hunt and punish them for the great deception they had done."
Read the following on Malachi 3:1: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/refuting-erano-false-prophet-on-malachi.html
The one who will rule with an iron sceptre is Jesus and I have established elsewhere that Erano is not the one in Genesis 3:15. Erano cannot prove that he is the said prophet like Moses at all and that has been shredded to pieces already.
"What does the prophet like Moses bring into the world with His message about the great and Holy Name of God?
Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist.
The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.
Isaiah 11:5-6 (NIV)
“The wolf will live with the lamb”–We are now entering that era where there will be lasting PEACE in the world as we now know the true Name of God which leads us all to be one people under God!No more division, no more conflict.
The Prophet like Moses, Teacher Eraño M. Evangelista, the symbolical offspring of the woman (mentioned by God in Genesis 3:14-15) has revealed to us (through the word of God in the scriptures or “Iron Scepter”) who the real offspring of the serpent or Satan is, (who was no other than Jesus); how his deception of overturning God’s righteous laws was carried on by his apostles and the religions.
These revelations EXPOSED the real root cause of all this evil and lawlessness in the world.
What option does Satan have now?
Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."
Revelation 12:12 (NIV)
“He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."- This is the beginning of the end of the reign of Satan and his deception as revealed in the Holy Bible by the Prophet like Moses, Maestro (Teacher) Eraño Martin Evangelista."
The subject of Deuteronomy 18 has already been covered here: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html
Isaiah 11:5-6 in it's final fulfillment will not occur until Jesus' return to earth when he finally does away with Satan and the Anti-Christ once and for all. Jesus will judge Satan and destroy him in Revelation 12.
Genesis 3:15 is addressed here as well as the false claim that Jesus is the offspring of the devil: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/an-examination-of-prophecy-of-good_3.html
"Finally, as God’s prophet to the nations, Maestro Evangelista says to all people of the world:
“Disastrous events will continue to happen all over the world, for the people to realize that the world is cursed. These will only stop when they use their wisdom and understanding to accept and acknowledge the true Name of God”.
This is not a new religion or cult but simply a MESSAGE (communications or memorandum) and this means that whether you accept (the 'Prophet like Moses') Maestro Evangelista's Bible revelations in www.thename.ph and www.thenameonline.info or not is not our responsibility.
What is important is that people of the world cannot say that the God of the prophets in the Bible did not show us His real teachings from the deception of Satan. God has now shown us through His real prophet like Moses, Maestro Evangelista of www.thename.ph and www.thenameonline.info.
You will be accountable to God (as God said in (Deuteronomy 18:18-19)and not to Maestro or to us because the One who commanded Maestro Evangelista to make such explanations about His words especially about Jesus in the scriptures is God Himself. It is HE, the HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL, WHO HAD PUT HIS WORDS In Maestro Evangelista’s mouth to make known this revelation about Satan, about the man who chose to be his offspring or Son, Jesus, and about the Apostles and the religions who continued their great deception."
Just scroll back but to the article were I write on Deuteronomy 18. No matter how Erano OR his followers want to cut it. HIS GROUP IS A FALSE RELIGION AND A DEMONIC CULT!!!
He hasn't said anything except his evil, poisonous, reprobate and unbiblical teachings.
Answering Judaism.
Sunday, 29 June 2014
Saturday, 28 June 2014
Challenge and Examination of some of Gomerozdubar's claims
Gomerozdubar, a Muslim on Paltalk, claims often to be this great apologist, but his assertions are often bombastic and often doesn't provide a source or a scholar to back them up. I say often because there are times where he would provide a source, but this is not common.
This paper is a request to Gomer to actually provide evidence for the claims that he makes regarding the NT writings. For examples of his lack of providing sources or minimal posting of citations, see the following videos by Nakdimon316: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCE63E5B6421B2A6B (Nakdimon: Gomerozdubar's 20 minute rant on Paltalk).
Valentinian Gnosticism in John
One of the claims of Gomerozdubar if my memory serves me correctly is the claim that John's usage of pagan terms, namely logos. Just because John uses the term logos, that doesn't mean that the term logos is pagan itself, the term logos refers to a study of things, like biology, technology, physiology, psychology etc. There is also Christology, study of Christ. Christ himself is called the logos and it refers to him being the reason why things exist. Jesus is the logos, the reason that earth exists and that without him, Nothing was made that has been made.
Gomer, like many others, including Anthony Buzzard whom a lot of Muslims have utmost respect for, often say, not in these exact specific words, but make it clear that arguments for the Trinity and the Deity of Christ only come from the Gospel of John and cannot be defended in the other Gospels. Gomer even accuses Christians of "running" to this Gospel to prove their case rather than the other Gospels
Firstly, If you want evidence not just from the Gospels, read the following articles:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/response-to-tovia-singer-on-did-authors.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/classical-trinitarian-objections.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/challenge-from-facebook-unitarian.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/the-trinity-is-not-truth.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/deuteronomy-13-question-of-vindication.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/deuteronomy-13-question-of-vindication-2.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/contra-blumenthal-examination-of-contra.html
Second, when studying a compendium, which is what the TANAKH and the NT are, you cannot throw out one book in your studies and keep only one book you like, you need to look at ALL 66 books of the scriptural canon.
Third, Gomer appeals to the Valentianians as supposedly the earliest commentators on the Gospel of John. However, Ignatius of Antioch, a student of the apostle John refers to Jesus as God in his letters:
"For some are in the habit of carrying about the name [of Jesus Christ] in wicked guile, while yet they practise things unworthy of God, whom ye must flee as ye would wild beasts. For they are ravening dogs, who bite secretly, against whom ye must be on your guard, inasmuch as they are men who can scarcely be cured. There is one Physician who is possessed both of flesh and spirit; both made and not made; God existing in flesh; true life in death; both of Mary and of God; first possible and then impossible,-50 even Jesus Christ our Lord." Ignatius' Letter to the Epheisans: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ignatius-ephesians-lightfoot.html"
His view of the word would certainly be different from that of the Gnostics themselves and the Gnostics themselves, of all stripes, would denounce the idea of Christ truly existing in the flesh.
Satan's timeless existence in 1 John 3:8
Another assertion made is based on the word arche or from the beginning or in the beginning that if Jesus is eternal, that Satan must also be eternal on that basis. This is just flat out incorrect and is an abject refusal to acknowledge the two different contexts.
Jesus existed from eternity with the Father in heaven and had no beginning, he always existed even before the beginning of time. Satan however is a created being and was not eternal. The Greek I would need to look into in another article if the Lord Wills but lets take a look at the contexts of John 1:1, John 8:44 and 1 John 3:8
"John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it."
"John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
"1 John 3:8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work."
The texts do not tell us when Satan began sinning, other books tell us, namely when Jesus refers to Satan's fall out of heaven when he applies the judgement words of Isaiah 14, of the King of Babylon to Satan. It is also important to note that as an angel, Satan DID NOT ETERNALLY EXIST. The phrase "from the beginning" in John 8:44 and 1 John 3:8 have no connection to John 1:1 just as John 1:1 and 2 Corinthians 4:4 have no connection too each other.
Satan has been sinning, plotting and scheming ever since he fell from heaven and tempted Adam and Eve into sinning against God. Jesus DID exist from eternity, he has no beginning and at the beginning of creation, was ever present with the Father in heaven.*
New Testament is merely Greek Folklore
It is actually discovered more and more how the NT has Jewish roots rather than having a paganistic origin. Any comparison to pagan myths such as Horus, Mithra and other myths of the ancient world are ridiculous and are untenable to begin with.
See this video by James White where he responds to apostate Rob Bell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsVkeMZCkOg
See also this article by the devineevidence.com website:
http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_similarities.html (This link is defunct.)
Jesus' appearance to Hagar: What is the point made?
Genesis 16 marks the appearance of Jesus in the OT appearing to her functionally as an angel, which he also did in Genesis 18. The angel in both 16 and 18 is identified as YHWH, not merely as a representative, but as YHWH God manifesting himself in a human form, since Hagar refers to the angel as the God who sees me.
I honestly have no idea why Gomer made this point at all, If he is using this as a proof text for Islam, tough luck, that is not the case at all.
Epistles: Why and to whom were they written?
Gomer makes a big deal about the letters of the NT being written to the specific churches and if my memory serves me correctly points out that there are instructions that needn't be carried out and even went as far as asking "Are there any Colossians in the room". So? There are examples of general universal instructions and specific instructions. There are instructions on how to deal with heretics and what a teacher should be and that deals with the subject of how church leaders and members are to behave. The specific instructions would refer to Titus and Timothy being exhorted or the congregations being told to prepare for Paul's arrival. The universal commands still apply whereas the specific do not. Just because an epistle is written to a specific group, that doesn't mean it is not for others to read themselves.
Irenaeus: Jesus' death at the age of 45?
The claim that Jesus was 45 or 50 is cited in Irenaeus' book "Against Heresies 2" which actually says:
"5. They, however, that they may establish their false opinion regarding that which is written, "to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord," maintain that He preached for one year only, and then suffered in the twelfth month. [In speaking thus], they are forgetful to their own disadvantage, destroying His whole work, and robbing Him of that age which is both more necessary and more honourable than any other; that more advanced age, I mean, during which also as a teacher He excelled all others. For how could He have had disciples, if He did not teach? And how could He have taught, unless He had reached the age of a Master? For when He came to be baptized, He had not yet completed His thirtieth year, but was beginning to be about thirty years of age (for thus Luke, who has mentioned His years, has expressed it: "Now Jesus was, as it were, beginning to be thirty years old," when He came to receive baptism); and, [according to these men, ] He preached only one year reckoning from His baptism. On completing His thirtieth year He suffered, being in fact still a young man, and who had by no means attained to advanced age. Now, that the first stage of early life embraces thirty years, and that this extends onwards to the fortieth year, every one will admit; but from the fortieth andfiftieth year a man begins to decline towards old age, which our Lord possessed while He still fulfilled the office of a Teacher, even as the Gospel and all the elders testify; those who were conversant in Asia with John, the disciple of the Lord, [affirming] that John conveyed to them that information. And he remained among them up to the times of Trajan. Some of them, moreover, saw not only John, but the other apostles also, and heard the very same account from them, and bear testimony as to the [validity of] the statement. Whom then should we rather believe? Whether such men as these, or Ptolemaeus, who never saw the apostles, and who never even in his dreams attained to the slightest trace of an apostle?
6. But, besides this, those very Jews who then disputed with the Lord Jesus Christ have most clearly indicated the same thing. For when the Lord said to them, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day; and he saw it, and was glad," they answered Him, "Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham? " Now, such language is fittingly applied to one who has already passed the age of forty, without having as yet reached his fiftieth year, yet is not far from this latter period. But to one who is only thirty years old it would unquestionably be said, "Thou art not yet forty years old." For those who wished to convict Him of falsehood would certainly not extend the number of His years far beyond the age which they saw He had attained; but they mentioned a period near His real age, whether they had truly ascertained this out of the entry in the public register, or simply made a conjecture from what they observed that He was above forty years old, and that He certainly was not one of only thirty years of age.For it is altogether unreasonable to suppose that they were mistaken by twenty years, when they wished to prove Him younger than the times of Abraham. For what they saw, that they also expressed; and He whom they beheld was not a mere phantasm, but an actual being of flesh and blood. He did not then wont much of being fifty years old; and, in accordance with that fact, they said to Him, "Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham? "He did not therefore preach only for one year, nor did He suffer in the twelfth month of the year. For the period included between the thirtieth and the fiftieth year can never be regarded as one year, unless indeed, among their Aeons, there be so long years assigned to those who sit in their ranks with Bythus in the Pleroma; of which beings Homer the poet, too, has spoken, doubtless being inspired by the Mother of their [system of] error".
Irenaeus* is not saying that Jesus was that age at all and one article I would recommend has been written on tektonics.org:
http://tektonics.org/guest/irey50.html
Dismissal of the demons and Pharisees testimony of Jesus
Gomer dismisses the Deity of Christ and the identification of Jesus as the Son of God as a doctrine of demons and a doctrine of the synagogue of Satan simply because the demons and Pharisees are liars.
Demons DO NOT tell outright lies, they and their leader Satan mix truth with error. From a Biblical perspective, Islam has things right about Jesus being the Messiah (which they don't understand the significance of) and a prophet of God. These two things Christians proclaim, but Islam also denies the Trinity, Deity of Christ, his crucifixion, denies Allah is a Father to his people even spiritually and many other things, only showing that Islam has no kinship to Christianity in practice despite lip service being given to the prophets of the TANAKH.
The demons knew who Jesus was and the only reason they were silenced when they confessed him as Son of God was not because Jesus was rebuking them for lying about him, but telling them not to reveal his identity to the people as it wasn't time for him to disclose his true nature.
The Pharisees, while hypocrites and liars (some but not all), were convinced that some of Jesus' claims about himself were blasphemous. Rather than refuting their points, Jesus actually uses their right conclusions and bolsters his claims of deity, confirming the points that the Pharisees' made. I don't mean their claims he blasphemed where confirmed, but their assertions that he was claiming to be YHWH was confirmed.
Keith Thompson has penned an excellent article responding to Muslim polemicist Sami Zaatari and demonstrates that one can use the Pharisees to show the Deity of Christ:
http://www.reformedapologeticsministries.com/2013/11/answering-sami-zaatari-on-pharisaic.html
Conclusion
Whenever Gomerozdubar makes a claim about a particular subject, be very careful to check out what he says to see if his points stand up to scrutiny. Studying the issues he raises will better equip you against him should he raise some points to you.
Hope this article has been a blessing, thank you for reading.
Answering Judaism.
Addendum
More points may be added later. Any points I have missed that come to mind through Gomer himself or by other means will be added later.
18th September 2017 Said Ignatius instead of Irenaeus but that has been corrected.
*10th of February 2020. See the following information on John 1:1: https://catholicnick.blogspot.com/2010/06/jws-are-correct-about-john-11-jesus-is.html
This paper is a request to Gomer to actually provide evidence for the claims that he makes regarding the NT writings. For examples of his lack of providing sources or minimal posting of citations, see the following videos by Nakdimon316: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCE63E5B6421B2A6B (Nakdimon: Gomerozdubar's 20 minute rant on Paltalk).
Valentinian Gnosticism in John
One of the claims of Gomerozdubar if my memory serves me correctly is the claim that John's usage of pagan terms, namely logos. Just because John uses the term logos, that doesn't mean that the term logos is pagan itself, the term logos refers to a study of things, like biology, technology, physiology, psychology etc. There is also Christology, study of Christ. Christ himself is called the logos and it refers to him being the reason why things exist. Jesus is the logos, the reason that earth exists and that without him, Nothing was made that has been made.
Gomer, like many others, including Anthony Buzzard whom a lot of Muslims have utmost respect for, often say, not in these exact specific words, but make it clear that arguments for the Trinity and the Deity of Christ only come from the Gospel of John and cannot be defended in the other Gospels. Gomer even accuses Christians of "running" to this Gospel to prove their case rather than the other Gospels
Firstly, If you want evidence not just from the Gospels, read the following articles:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/response-to-tovia-singer-on-did-authors.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/classical-trinitarian-objections.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/challenge-from-facebook-unitarian.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/the-trinity-is-not-truth.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/deuteronomy-13-question-of-vindication.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/deuteronomy-13-question-of-vindication-2.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/contra-blumenthal-examination-of-contra.html
Second, when studying a compendium, which is what the TANAKH and the NT are, you cannot throw out one book in your studies and keep only one book you like, you need to look at ALL 66 books of the scriptural canon.
Third, Gomer appeals to the Valentianians as supposedly the earliest commentators on the Gospel of John. However, Ignatius of Antioch, a student of the apostle John refers to Jesus as God in his letters:
"For some are in the habit of carrying about the name [of Jesus Christ] in wicked guile, while yet they practise things unworthy of God, whom ye must flee as ye would wild beasts. For they are ravening dogs, who bite secretly, against whom ye must be on your guard, inasmuch as they are men who can scarcely be cured. There is one Physician who is possessed both of flesh and spirit; both made and not made; God existing in flesh; true life in death; both of Mary and of God; first possible and then impossible,-50 even Jesus Christ our Lord." Ignatius' Letter to the Epheisans: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ignatius-ephesians-lightfoot.html"
His view of the word would certainly be different from that of the Gnostics themselves and the Gnostics themselves, of all stripes, would denounce the idea of Christ truly existing in the flesh.
Satan's timeless existence in 1 John 3:8
Another assertion made is based on the word arche or from the beginning or in the beginning that if Jesus is eternal, that Satan must also be eternal on that basis. This is just flat out incorrect and is an abject refusal to acknowledge the two different contexts.
Jesus existed from eternity with the Father in heaven and had no beginning, he always existed even before the beginning of time. Satan however is a created being and was not eternal. The Greek I would need to look into in another article if the Lord Wills but lets take a look at the contexts of John 1:1, John 8:44 and 1 John 3:8
"John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it."
"John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
"1 John 3:8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work."
The texts do not tell us when Satan began sinning, other books tell us, namely when Jesus refers to Satan's fall out of heaven when he applies the judgement words of Isaiah 14, of the King of Babylon to Satan. It is also important to note that as an angel, Satan DID NOT ETERNALLY EXIST. The phrase "from the beginning" in John 8:44 and 1 John 3:8 have no connection to John 1:1 just as John 1:1 and 2 Corinthians 4:4 have no connection too each other.
Satan has been sinning, plotting and scheming ever since he fell from heaven and tempted Adam and Eve into sinning against God. Jesus DID exist from eternity, he has no beginning and at the beginning of creation, was ever present with the Father in heaven.*
New Testament is merely Greek Folklore
It is actually discovered more and more how the NT has Jewish roots rather than having a paganistic origin. Any comparison to pagan myths such as Horus, Mithra and other myths of the ancient world are ridiculous and are untenable to begin with.
See this video by James White where he responds to apostate Rob Bell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsVkeMZCkOg
See also this article by the devineevidence.com website:
http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_similarities.html (This link is defunct.)
Jesus' appearance to Hagar: What is the point made?
Genesis 16 marks the appearance of Jesus in the OT appearing to her functionally as an angel, which he also did in Genesis 18. The angel in both 16 and 18 is identified as YHWH, not merely as a representative, but as YHWH God manifesting himself in a human form, since Hagar refers to the angel as the God who sees me.
I honestly have no idea why Gomer made this point at all, If he is using this as a proof text for Islam, tough luck, that is not the case at all.
Epistles: Why and to whom were they written?
Gomer makes a big deal about the letters of the NT being written to the specific churches and if my memory serves me correctly points out that there are instructions that needn't be carried out and even went as far as asking "Are there any Colossians in the room". So? There are examples of general universal instructions and specific instructions. There are instructions on how to deal with heretics and what a teacher should be and that deals with the subject of how church leaders and members are to behave. The specific instructions would refer to Titus and Timothy being exhorted or the congregations being told to prepare for Paul's arrival. The universal commands still apply whereas the specific do not. Just because an epistle is written to a specific group, that doesn't mean it is not for others to read themselves.
Irenaeus: Jesus' death at the age of 45?
The claim that Jesus was 45 or 50 is cited in Irenaeus' book "Against Heresies 2" which actually says:
"5. They, however, that they may establish their false opinion regarding that which is written, "to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord," maintain that He preached for one year only, and then suffered in the twelfth month. [In speaking thus], they are forgetful to their own disadvantage, destroying His whole work, and robbing Him of that age which is both more necessary and more honourable than any other; that more advanced age, I mean, during which also as a teacher He excelled all others. For how could He have had disciples, if He did not teach? And how could He have taught, unless He had reached the age of a Master? For when He came to be baptized, He had not yet completed His thirtieth year, but was beginning to be about thirty years of age (for thus Luke, who has mentioned His years, has expressed it: "Now Jesus was, as it were, beginning to be thirty years old," when He came to receive baptism); and, [according to these men, ] He preached only one year reckoning from His baptism. On completing His thirtieth year He suffered, being in fact still a young man, and who had by no means attained to advanced age. Now, that the first stage of early life embraces thirty years, and that this extends onwards to the fortieth year, every one will admit; but from the fortieth andfiftieth year a man begins to decline towards old age, which our Lord possessed while He still fulfilled the office of a Teacher, even as the Gospel and all the elders testify; those who were conversant in Asia with John, the disciple of the Lord, [affirming] that John conveyed to them that information. And he remained among them up to the times of Trajan. Some of them, moreover, saw not only John, but the other apostles also, and heard the very same account from them, and bear testimony as to the [validity of] the statement. Whom then should we rather believe? Whether such men as these, or Ptolemaeus, who never saw the apostles, and who never even in his dreams attained to the slightest trace of an apostle?
6. But, besides this, those very Jews who then disputed with the Lord Jesus Christ have most clearly indicated the same thing. For when the Lord said to them, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day; and he saw it, and was glad," they answered Him, "Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham? " Now, such language is fittingly applied to one who has already passed the age of forty, without having as yet reached his fiftieth year, yet is not far from this latter period. But to one who is only thirty years old it would unquestionably be said, "Thou art not yet forty years old." For those who wished to convict Him of falsehood would certainly not extend the number of His years far beyond the age which they saw He had attained; but they mentioned a period near His real age, whether they had truly ascertained this out of the entry in the public register, or simply made a conjecture from what they observed that He was above forty years old, and that He certainly was not one of only thirty years of age.For it is altogether unreasonable to suppose that they were mistaken by twenty years, when they wished to prove Him younger than the times of Abraham. For what they saw, that they also expressed; and He whom they beheld was not a mere phantasm, but an actual being of flesh and blood. He did not then wont much of being fifty years old; and, in accordance with that fact, they said to Him, "Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham? "He did not therefore preach only for one year, nor did He suffer in the twelfth month of the year. For the period included between the thirtieth and the fiftieth year can never be regarded as one year, unless indeed, among their Aeons, there be so long years assigned to those who sit in their ranks with Bythus in the Pleroma; of which beings Homer the poet, too, has spoken, doubtless being inspired by the Mother of their [system of] error".
Irenaeus* is not saying that Jesus was that age at all and one article I would recommend has been written on tektonics.org:
http://tektonics.org/guest/irey50.html
Dismissal of the demons and Pharisees testimony of Jesus
Gomer dismisses the Deity of Christ and the identification of Jesus as the Son of God as a doctrine of demons and a doctrine of the synagogue of Satan simply because the demons and Pharisees are liars.
Demons DO NOT tell outright lies, they and their leader Satan mix truth with error. From a Biblical perspective, Islam has things right about Jesus being the Messiah (which they don't understand the significance of) and a prophet of God. These two things Christians proclaim, but Islam also denies the Trinity, Deity of Christ, his crucifixion, denies Allah is a Father to his people even spiritually and many other things, only showing that Islam has no kinship to Christianity in practice despite lip service being given to the prophets of the TANAKH.
The demons knew who Jesus was and the only reason they were silenced when they confessed him as Son of God was not because Jesus was rebuking them for lying about him, but telling them not to reveal his identity to the people as it wasn't time for him to disclose his true nature.
The Pharisees, while hypocrites and liars (some but not all), were convinced that some of Jesus' claims about himself were blasphemous. Rather than refuting their points, Jesus actually uses their right conclusions and bolsters his claims of deity, confirming the points that the Pharisees' made. I don't mean their claims he blasphemed where confirmed, but their assertions that he was claiming to be YHWH was confirmed.
Keith Thompson has penned an excellent article responding to Muslim polemicist Sami Zaatari and demonstrates that one can use the Pharisees to show the Deity of Christ:
http://www.reformedapologeticsministries.com/2013/11/answering-sami-zaatari-on-pharisaic.html
Conclusion
Whenever Gomerozdubar makes a claim about a particular subject, be very careful to check out what he says to see if his points stand up to scrutiny. Studying the issues he raises will better equip you against him should he raise some points to you.
Hope this article has been a blessing, thank you for reading.
Answering Judaism.
Addendum
More points may be added later. Any points I have missed that come to mind through Gomer himself or by other means will be added later.
18th September 2017 Said Ignatius instead of Irenaeus but that has been corrected.
*10th of February 2020. See the following information on John 1:1: https://catholicnick.blogspot.com/2010/06/jws-are-correct-about-john-11-jesus-is.html
Wednesday, 25 June 2014
Response to Erano: A look at the END OF LAWLESSNESS AND EVIL 6
I won't be commenting on the dragon again as to who it is, I'll redirect you to the previous article:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/response-to-erano-look-at-end-of_24.html
This also addresses what Jeremiah 1 actually means, not what Erano and his followers think it means:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/an-examination-of-prophecy-of-good_28.html
"To continue:
His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.
Revelation 12:4 (NIV)
"the stars out of the sky" - the former people of God.
“so that he might devour her child the moment it was born” - the religions are preparing for the emergence of the man sent by God to be the firstborn of His New Israel. God’s prophet like Moses, (the Last Prophet), is Maestro Eraño Martin Evangelista.
She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.
Revelation 12:5 (NIV)
We will now decode what is written in the said verse:
"a male child”- Is this a literal child?"
Revelation 12 has nothing to do with Erano whatsoever, it is a scenario at the end of days. The child in Revelation 12 is Jesus Christ who will rule the nations with an iron scepter. Satan is trying to destroy the child in the context and the dragon doesn't refer to "the religions".
"Let us read in:
The word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Jeremiah 1:4-5 (NIV)
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you” –Here, the prophet Jeremiah writes about the vision of the coming servant of God
“a prophet to the nations” –This servant the prophet Jeremiah writes about was sent by God to be the prophet to the nations, unlike Moses and the other prophets, including Jesus, they were only sent to the people of Israel. This is not even prophet Jeremiah as most scholars thought. Prophet Jeremiah was also sent to the people of Israel.
How do we know that this vision of the prophet Jeremiah from God about a “Prophet to the nations” speaks about the “male Child” written by the prophet John in Revelation 12?
“Ah, Sovereign LORD,” I said, “I do not know how to speak; I am only a child.”
But the LORD said to me, “Do not say, ‘I am only a child.’ You must go to everyone
I send you to and say whatever I command you.
Jeremiah 1:6-7 (NIV)
“Child”-We can now understand that in Revelation 12, God does not speak about the offspring of the woman mentioned in Genesis 3:14-15 being a human child. God speaks about a man who has little formal knowledge of the Holy Bible. He will choose this man to be His prophet and instruct him and send to deliver His Word to the people of the world."
Revelation 12 has no exegetical connection to Jeremiah 1 and I have already established in another article that it is referring to Jeremiah, NOT to Jesus or Erano. Plus, Jesus was not sent only to the house of Israel, excluding the Gentiles, see this article here:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/an-examination-of-prophecy-of-good.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/behold-jesus-response-to-aryeh-kaplan.html
Deuteronomy 18 is addressed here in these articles:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/who-are-false-prophets-maestro-erano.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html
His points about Psalm 2 may be deal with in another article.
"Going back to:
She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.
Revelation 12:5 (NIV)
“She gave birth to a son, a male child,” - This symbolizes the coming of the offspring of the woman whom God spoke about in Genesis 3:14-15. This is the prophet like Moses, who is Maestro Eraño Evangelista. God ordained him to be His prophet to all nations to proclaim His true teachings as the whole world was led astray by the religions. They are the ones who continued the deception of Jesus, the offspring of the Serpent or Satan."
Already covered what Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12 talk about. I need not repeat my points.
"Let us read in:
A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
Isaiah 11:1 (NIV)
“shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse” – This is King David because he is the son of Jesse. Maestro Evangelista says the reason why David’s father was mentioned is that God wants us to realize the importance of our parents. Without Jesse, the great king David of Israel would never have existed.
“root” – Jesus as disclosed in Revelation 22:16.We can now understand why the writer of Revelation, the prophet John was commanded by God to write His words concerning Jesus in Revelation 22:16. It reminds us of the words of Jesus about a coming “Counselor “(See Part I) whom God will send to testify about him (Jesus) and why he was sent by God. This teaching was never emphasized by his apostles because they continued the deception of Satan.
The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him -the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD -
Isaiah 11:2 (NIV)
“Spirit” – What is this “Spirit of the LORD?” Let us read again regarding the Holy Spirit:
and said, “Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the
Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas,
who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus –
Acts 1:16 (NIV)
“which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David” -It was written that the Holy Spirit spoke through the mouth of David."
As to who the Holy Spirit is, read the following article: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html
Also the reference to the shoot of Jesse is not a reference to David, but is actually a reference to his descendant, The Messiah.
"To continue:
and he will delight in the fear of the LORD.He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,or decide by what he hears with his ears;but with righteousness he will judge the needy,withjustice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth;with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.
Isaiah 11:3-4 (NIV)
“He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;” -because his Bible-based revelations came not from his own study of the word of God but through what God had put into his mouth. This is the sign that he is the real prophet like Moses.
“but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.” – Because the prophet like Moses will now show the world how we can truly be righteous before God.
He will show the whole world that God created man not to suffer all the hardships and sufferings which were caused by the false teachings of the religions about God."
This not fulfilled in Erano whatsoever, it is referring to the Messianic era or at least the firstfruits of the Messianic era and Deuteronomy 18 is a separate prophecy to Isaiah 11. Jesus himself is the fulfilment of the prophecy here, and will fulfill the passage in it's entirety.
Firstly, He deals his people with Isaiah 11:3-4 and brings them closer to the Father in heaven. Through the Gospel of grace, he is gathering not only Gentiles to himself, but is gathering his Jewish people from different countries of the world to which they have flourished to and the knowledge of God, slowly but surely, fills the earth.
In the historical application, the peace, though temporary in the present of that era would be brought about by a descendent of David, who was a king, with the ultimate Messianic fulfilment being in Jesus Christ.
More arguments maybe addressed if the Lord Wills.
Answering Judaism.
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/response-to-erano-look-at-end-of_24.html
This also addresses what Jeremiah 1 actually means, not what Erano and his followers think it means:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/an-examination-of-prophecy-of-good_28.html
"To continue:
His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.
Revelation 12:4 (NIV)
"the stars out of the sky" - the former people of God.
“so that he might devour her child the moment it was born” - the religions are preparing for the emergence of the man sent by God to be the firstborn of His New Israel. God’s prophet like Moses, (the Last Prophet), is Maestro Eraño Martin Evangelista.
She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.
Revelation 12:5 (NIV)
We will now decode what is written in the said verse:
"a male child”- Is this a literal child?"
Revelation 12 has nothing to do with Erano whatsoever, it is a scenario at the end of days. The child in Revelation 12 is Jesus Christ who will rule the nations with an iron scepter. Satan is trying to destroy the child in the context and the dragon doesn't refer to "the religions".
"Let us read in:
The word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Jeremiah 1:4-5 (NIV)
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you” –Here, the prophet Jeremiah writes about the vision of the coming servant of God
“a prophet to the nations” –This servant the prophet Jeremiah writes about was sent by God to be the prophet to the nations, unlike Moses and the other prophets, including Jesus, they were only sent to the people of Israel. This is not even prophet Jeremiah as most scholars thought. Prophet Jeremiah was also sent to the people of Israel.
How do we know that this vision of the prophet Jeremiah from God about a “Prophet to the nations” speaks about the “male Child” written by the prophet John in Revelation 12?
“Ah, Sovereign LORD,” I said, “I do not know how to speak; I am only a child.”
But the LORD said to me, “Do not say, ‘I am only a child.’ You must go to everyone
I send you to and say whatever I command you.
Jeremiah 1:6-7 (NIV)
“Child”-We can now understand that in Revelation 12, God does not speak about the offspring of the woman mentioned in Genesis 3:14-15 being a human child. God speaks about a man who has little formal knowledge of the Holy Bible. He will choose this man to be His prophet and instruct him and send to deliver His Word to the people of the world."
Revelation 12 has no exegetical connection to Jeremiah 1 and I have already established in another article that it is referring to Jeremiah, NOT to Jesus or Erano. Plus, Jesus was not sent only to the house of Israel, excluding the Gentiles, see this article here:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/an-examination-of-prophecy-of-good.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/behold-jesus-response-to-aryeh-kaplan.html
Deuteronomy 18 is addressed here in these articles:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/who-are-false-prophets-maestro-erano.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html
His points about Psalm 2 may be deal with in another article.
"Going back to:
She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.
Revelation 12:5 (NIV)
“She gave birth to a son, a male child,” - This symbolizes the coming of the offspring of the woman whom God spoke about in Genesis 3:14-15. This is the prophet like Moses, who is Maestro Eraño Evangelista. God ordained him to be His prophet to all nations to proclaim His true teachings as the whole world was led astray by the religions. They are the ones who continued the deception of Jesus, the offspring of the Serpent or Satan."
Already covered what Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12 talk about. I need not repeat my points.
"Let us read in:
A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
Isaiah 11:1 (NIV)
“shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse” – This is King David because he is the son of Jesse. Maestro Evangelista says the reason why David’s father was mentioned is that God wants us to realize the importance of our parents. Without Jesse, the great king David of Israel would never have existed.
“root” – Jesus as disclosed in Revelation 22:16.We can now understand why the writer of Revelation, the prophet John was commanded by God to write His words concerning Jesus in Revelation 22:16. It reminds us of the words of Jesus about a coming “Counselor “(See Part I) whom God will send to testify about him (Jesus) and why he was sent by God. This teaching was never emphasized by his apostles because they continued the deception of Satan.
The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him -the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD -
Isaiah 11:2 (NIV)
“Spirit” – What is this “Spirit of the LORD?” Let us read again regarding the Holy Spirit:
and said, “Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the
Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas,
who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus –
Acts 1:16 (NIV)
“which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David” -It was written that the Holy Spirit spoke through the mouth of David."
As to who the Holy Spirit is, read the following article: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html
Also the reference to the shoot of Jesse is not a reference to David, but is actually a reference to his descendant, The Messiah.
"To continue:
and he will delight in the fear of the LORD.He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,or decide by what he hears with his ears;but with righteousness he will judge the needy,withjustice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth;with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.
Isaiah 11:3-4 (NIV)
“He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;” -because his Bible-based revelations came not from his own study of the word of God but through what God had put into his mouth. This is the sign that he is the real prophet like Moses.
“but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.” – Because the prophet like Moses will now show the world how we can truly be righteous before God.
He will show the whole world that God created man not to suffer all the hardships and sufferings which were caused by the false teachings of the religions about God."
This not fulfilled in Erano whatsoever, it is referring to the Messianic era or at least the firstfruits of the Messianic era and Deuteronomy 18 is a separate prophecy to Isaiah 11. Jesus himself is the fulfilment of the prophecy here, and will fulfill the passage in it's entirety.
Firstly, He deals his people with Isaiah 11:3-4 and brings them closer to the Father in heaven. Through the Gospel of grace, he is gathering not only Gentiles to himself, but is gathering his Jewish people from different countries of the world to which they have flourished to and the knowledge of God, slowly but surely, fills the earth.
In the historical application, the peace, though temporary in the present of that era would be brought about by a descendent of David, who was a king, with the ultimate Messianic fulfilment being in Jesus Christ.
More arguments maybe addressed if the Lord Wills.
Answering Judaism.
Tuesday, 24 June 2014
Response to Erano: A look at the END OF LAWLESSNESS AND EVIL 5
"Now we know through this revelation of the prophet like Moses, Teacher Evangelista (the Foreigner) the Name of God in the articles in www.thename.ph and www.thenameonline.info.
And now the Great Battle:
A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
Revelation 12:1 (NIV)
"wondrous sign appeared in heaven" - messages that are given and are seen by the people of the world simultaneously through Satellite TV, Cable TV and the internet.
"woman" - the same woman who was revealed in Genesis 3:14-15.The mere fact that the prophecy in Genesis 3:14-15 was still mentioned in the book of Revelation, only means that the crushing of the serpent’s head or the exposition of Satan was not fulfilled during Jesus’ time.
“crown of twelve stars on her head”- who does this woman symbolize?
Who were the ones who were before symbolized as stars in the prophecy?
And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.” Then the word of the LORD came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir.” He took him outside and said, “Look up at the sky and count the stars - if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”
Genesis15:3-5 NIV
The ones who were promised by God that will be as numerous as the stars in the sky are the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac. The people of Israel, they will be the ones who were promised by God to be as numerous as the stars!
Therefore, the woman here symbolizes the people who will be called Israel or the New Israel of God"
Assertion after assertion. The woman mentioned in Revelation is not Mary, it's the bride of Christ, the church. No where is it referring the prophecy of Genesis 3:15 and no where in the passage does it talk about a New Israel in Revelation 12.
More evidence of this can be found in Keith Thompson's documentary on Roman Catholicism, specifically this part on Revelation 12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAM_7nEaMB0
"Is it true?
Set up road signs; put up guideposts. Take note of the highway, the road that you take. Return, Virgin Israel, return to your towns. How long will you wander, unfaithful Daughter Israel? The Lord will create a new thing on earth - the woman will return to the man.”
Jeremiah 31:21-22 (NIV)
Or in another version:
“Set up signposts, Make landmarks; Set your heart toward the highway, the way in which you went. Turn back, O virgin of Israel, Turn back to these your cities. How long will you gad about, O you backsliding daughter? For the Lord has created a new thing in the earth - A woman shall encompass a man.”
Jeremiah 31:21-22 (NKJV)
“Virgin Israel” - symbolizes the New Israel - the people who calls on the true Name of God as prophesied in Zechariah 13:9. It is no longer the Jews whom God considers as His people Israel
“Set up signposts, Make landmarks;” - so that we may no longer be lost or led astray about the truth.
“A woman shall encompass a man.” - the sign that the promise of God to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be fulfilled at a time when the status of all women is equal with men.This is also the sign of the time that the battle foretold by God in the book of Genesis will happen
We can see this is now happening today through women’s groups around the world who are standing up to claim their rights to be of equal status with men."
The virgin Israel refers to the Jews who put their trust in YHWH, nowhere does the context indicate that the people of Israel are no longer his people and what on earth has women encompassing man got to do with women claiming equal rights to men? Talk about anachronistic eisegesis.
The pulpit commentary says the following Jeremiah 31:22:
"A woman shall compass a man; i.e. instead of shyly keeping aloof, or worse (as hitherto), Israel, Jehovah's bride, shall, with eager affection, press around her Divine husband. The phrase, however, is extremely difficult. Of other explanations, the most plausible philologically is that of Schnurrer and Gesenius, "a woman shall protect a man" (comp. Deuteronomy 32:10)".
Zechariah 13 has already been addressed here:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/exposing-eranoites-yet-again-2.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/who-are-false-prophets-maestro-erano.html
"Why is the new Israel symbolized as a Virgin? What symbolizes the former Israel?
“The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord.
Jeremiah 31:31-32 (NIV)
"though I was a husband to them" - the former Israel were described by God as a wife. However, they had broken that covenant many times. What is worse is that even their anointed ones, (who were Solomon and Jesus), were not successful in returning them to God because both of them failed to manifest to them God’s true Name."
The context is referring to the people of Israel, not to anyone else. Gentile recipients of the covenant are grafted into the covenant. The covenant found in Jeremiah 31 is made with national Israel, but only those who have repented may be recipients of the covenant. Where is Jesus' lack of success? I have already pointed out previously in other materials that Jesus certainly did NOT fail in his mission to bring the people of Israel to the Father. And the people of Israel knew God's name anyway.
There is no such thing as a "former" Israel.
"This is why God made a new Covenant and this time, to be part of His covenant his people must acknowledge His Name:
“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the Lord. “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”
Jeremiah 31:33-34 NIV
“because they will all know me” - by acknowledging and accepting the Name of God that His (Last Prophet) the prophet like Moses brings, we become part of the New Covenant of God - the New Israel (Zechariah 13:9)."
The texts of Zechariah 13 are already covered and they DO NOT refer to a New Israel replacing the Jews.
This video response (Response to Rabbi Asher Meza on Debunking the New Covenant) I did to Asher Meza will shed some light on what Jeremiah 31 talks about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k5y6gt-OOQ
"Let us return to:
She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
Revelation 12:2-3 (NIV)
“She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.” - What does this mean?
“Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children. Do I bring to the moment of birth and not give delivery?” says the LORD. “Do I close up the womb when I bring to delivery?” says your God. “Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her, all you who love her; rejoice greatly with her, all you who mourn over her.
Isaiah 66:7-10 (NIV)
“Before she goes into labor, she gives birth” - This is not a natural occurrence – this is about a coming event. This is all about the birth of the New Israel, the New People of God. This symbolizes the calling of Maestro Evangelista, when he was called by God to be His prophet like Moses. The Last Prophet to reveal His great Name. He was the first to become God’s new people. The firstborn of the New Israel of God!
“Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment?" - When all peoples of the world listen to the word of God that He commanded Maestro Evangelista to reveal through the Bible. When everyone accepts and acknowledge that God has sent him to proclaim His Holy Name - at that moment in time, we will all be called by God as His people. His New Israel - a new nation of God!"
There is nothing about the New Israel or anything like what Erano is promoting with respect to the texts that are being quoted. Isaiah 66 speaks of Israel's own restoration, namely that of the Jewish people returning to God.
"66 This is what the Lord says:
“Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.
Where is the house you will build for me?
Where will my resting place be?
2 Has not my hand made all these things,
and so they came into being?”
declares the Lord.
“These are the ones I look on with favor:
those who are humble and contrite in spirit,
and who tremble at my word.
3 But whoever sacrifices a bull
is like one who kills a person,
and whoever offers a lamb
is like one who breaks a dog’s neck;
whoever makes a grain offering
is like one who presents pig’s blood,
and whoever burns memorial incense
is like one who worships an idol.
They have chosen their own ways,
and they delight in their abominations;
4 so I also will choose harsh treatment for them
and will bring on them what they dread.
For when I called, no one answered,
when I spoke, no one listened.
They did evil in my sight
and chose what displeases me.”
5 Hear the word of the Lord,
you who tremble at his word:
“Your own people who hate you,
and exclude you because of my name, have said,
‘Let the Lord be glorified,
that we may see your joy!’
Yet they will be put to shame.
6 Hear that uproar from the city,
hear that noise from the temple!
It is the sound of the Lord
repaying his enemies all they deserve.
7 “Before she goes into labor,
she gives birth;
before the pains come upon her,
she delivers a son.
8 Who has ever heard of such things?
Who has ever seen things like this?
Can a country be born in a day
or a nation be brought forth in a moment?
Yet no sooner is Zion in labor
than she gives birth to her children.
9 Do I bring to the moment of birth
and not give delivery?” says the Lord.
“Do I close up the womb
when I bring to delivery?” says your God.
10 “Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her,
all you who love her;
rejoice greatly with her,
all you who mourn over her.
11 For you will nurse and be satisfied
at her comforting breasts;
you will drink deeply
and delight in her overflowing abundance.”
12 For this is what the Lord says:
“I will extend peace to her like a river,
and the wealth of nations like a flooding stream;
you will nurse and be carried on her arm
and dandled on her knees.
13 As a mother comforts her child,
so will I comfort you;
and you will be comforted over Jerusalem.”
14 When you see this, your heart will rejoice
and you will flourish like grass;
the hand of the Lord will be made known to his servants,
but his fury will be shown to his foes.
15 See, the Lord is coming with fire,
and his chariots are like a whirlwind;
he will bring down his anger with fury,
and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For with fire and with his sword
the Lord will execute judgment on all people,
and many will be those slain by the Lord.
17 “Those who consecrate and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one who is among those who eat the flesh of pigs, rats and other unclean things—they will meet their end together with the one they follow,” declares the Lord.
18 “And I, because of what they have planned and done, am about to come[a] and gather the people of all nations and languages, and they will come and see my glory.
19 “I will set a sign among them, and I will send some of those who survive to the nations—to Tarshish, to the Libyans[b] and Lydians (famous as archers), to Tubal and Greece, and to the distant islands that have not heard of my fame or seen my glory. They will proclaim my glory among the nations. 20 And they will bring all your people, from all the nations, to my holy mountain in Jerusalem as an offering to the Lord—on horses, in chariots and wagons, and on mules and camels,” says the Lord. “They will bring them, as the Israelites bring their grain offerings, to the temple of the Lord in ceremonially clean vessels. 21 And I will select some of them also to be priests and Levites,” says the Lord.
22 “As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord. 24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”"
There is also an endtime judgement in which those who refuse to submit to God will be subject to hellfire for all eternity, namely in verse 24 in particular. The subject of a New Moon and Sabbaths may be looked at in another article if the Lord Wills.
Deuteronomy 18 has already been tackled here: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/who-are-false-prophets-maestro-erano.html
"Let us read again:
She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
Revelation 12:2-3 (NIV)
"an enormous red dragon " - the woman was against the snake in the Garden of Eden.
Maestro Evangelista says, the dragon (serpent) is still mentioned in the Book of Revelation and it means that the struggle that started in the Garden of Eden (in the book of Genesis) is still going on. It has not yet been settled.
“Seven heads-“ – The dragon mentioned here is not Satan nor Jesus anymore, but those who continue the deception that Jesus and his apostles had propagated. “Seven” also means being many (or continuous, like the seven days in a week), one main religion that had spawn many other religions, churches and beliefs.
This is none other than Christianity as it preached the worship of the one to whom Satan (Devil) had given his power – Jesus. Out of it came different sects - Catholicism, Protestantism, Born- Again, Orthodox, Baptists, Iglesia ni Cristo or Church of Christ etc."
Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Iglesia ni Cristo and the Church of Christ cult are not Christian groups at all. The dragon with 7 heads IS Satan, not a main religion spawning several religions. While seven can mean many, this wouldn't prove Erano's case to be true.
Let us carry on in another article if the Lord Wills.
Answering Judaism.
And now the Great Battle:
A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
Revelation 12:1 (NIV)
"wondrous sign appeared in heaven" - messages that are given and are seen by the people of the world simultaneously through Satellite TV, Cable TV and the internet.
"woman" - the same woman who was revealed in Genesis 3:14-15.The mere fact that the prophecy in Genesis 3:14-15 was still mentioned in the book of Revelation, only means that the crushing of the serpent’s head or the exposition of Satan was not fulfilled during Jesus’ time.
“crown of twelve stars on her head”- who does this woman symbolize?
Who were the ones who were before symbolized as stars in the prophecy?
And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.” Then the word of the LORD came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir.” He took him outside and said, “Look up at the sky and count the stars - if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”
Genesis15:3-5 NIV
The ones who were promised by God that will be as numerous as the stars in the sky are the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac. The people of Israel, they will be the ones who were promised by God to be as numerous as the stars!
Therefore, the woman here symbolizes the people who will be called Israel or the New Israel of God"
Assertion after assertion. The woman mentioned in Revelation is not Mary, it's the bride of Christ, the church. No where is it referring the prophecy of Genesis 3:15 and no where in the passage does it talk about a New Israel in Revelation 12.
More evidence of this can be found in Keith Thompson's documentary on Roman Catholicism, specifically this part on Revelation 12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAM_7nEaMB0
"Is it true?
Set up road signs; put up guideposts. Take note of the highway, the road that you take. Return, Virgin Israel, return to your towns. How long will you wander, unfaithful Daughter Israel? The Lord will create a new thing on earth - the woman will return to the man.”
Jeremiah 31:21-22 (NIV)
Or in another version:
“Set up signposts, Make landmarks; Set your heart toward the highway, the way in which you went. Turn back, O virgin of Israel, Turn back to these your cities. How long will you gad about, O you backsliding daughter? For the Lord has created a new thing in the earth - A woman shall encompass a man.”
Jeremiah 31:21-22 (NKJV)
“Virgin Israel” - symbolizes the New Israel - the people who calls on the true Name of God as prophesied in Zechariah 13:9. It is no longer the Jews whom God considers as His people Israel
“Set up signposts, Make landmarks;” - so that we may no longer be lost or led astray about the truth.
“A woman shall encompass a man.” - the sign that the promise of God to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be fulfilled at a time when the status of all women is equal with men.This is also the sign of the time that the battle foretold by God in the book of Genesis will happen
We can see this is now happening today through women’s groups around the world who are standing up to claim their rights to be of equal status with men."
The virgin Israel refers to the Jews who put their trust in YHWH, nowhere does the context indicate that the people of Israel are no longer his people and what on earth has women encompassing man got to do with women claiming equal rights to men? Talk about anachronistic eisegesis.
The pulpit commentary says the following Jeremiah 31:22:
"A woman shall compass a man; i.e. instead of shyly keeping aloof, or worse (as hitherto), Israel, Jehovah's bride, shall, with eager affection, press around her Divine husband. The phrase, however, is extremely difficult. Of other explanations, the most plausible philologically is that of Schnurrer and Gesenius, "a woman shall protect a man" (comp. Deuteronomy 32:10)".
Zechariah 13 has already been addressed here:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/exposing-eranoites-yet-again-2.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/who-are-false-prophets-maestro-erano.html
"Why is the new Israel symbolized as a Virgin? What symbolizes the former Israel?
“The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord.
Jeremiah 31:31-32 (NIV)
"though I was a husband to them" - the former Israel were described by God as a wife. However, they had broken that covenant many times. What is worse is that even their anointed ones, (who were Solomon and Jesus), were not successful in returning them to God because both of them failed to manifest to them God’s true Name."
The context is referring to the people of Israel, not to anyone else. Gentile recipients of the covenant are grafted into the covenant. The covenant found in Jeremiah 31 is made with national Israel, but only those who have repented may be recipients of the covenant. Where is Jesus' lack of success? I have already pointed out previously in other materials that Jesus certainly did NOT fail in his mission to bring the people of Israel to the Father. And the people of Israel knew God's name anyway.
There is no such thing as a "former" Israel.
"This is why God made a new Covenant and this time, to be part of His covenant his people must acknowledge His Name:
“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the Lord. “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”
Jeremiah 31:33-34 NIV
“because they will all know me” - by acknowledging and accepting the Name of God that His (Last Prophet) the prophet like Moses brings, we become part of the New Covenant of God - the New Israel (Zechariah 13:9)."
The texts of Zechariah 13 are already covered and they DO NOT refer to a New Israel replacing the Jews.
This video response (Response to Rabbi Asher Meza on Debunking the New Covenant) I did to Asher Meza will shed some light on what Jeremiah 31 talks about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k5y6gt-OOQ
"Let us return to:
She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
Revelation 12:2-3 (NIV)
“She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.” - What does this mean?
“Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children. Do I bring to the moment of birth and not give delivery?” says the LORD. “Do I close up the womb when I bring to delivery?” says your God. “Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her, all you who love her; rejoice greatly with her, all you who mourn over her.
Isaiah 66:7-10 (NIV)
“Before she goes into labor, she gives birth” - This is not a natural occurrence – this is about a coming event. This is all about the birth of the New Israel, the New People of God. This symbolizes the calling of Maestro Evangelista, when he was called by God to be His prophet like Moses. The Last Prophet to reveal His great Name. He was the first to become God’s new people. The firstborn of the New Israel of God!
“Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment?" - When all peoples of the world listen to the word of God that He commanded Maestro Evangelista to reveal through the Bible. When everyone accepts and acknowledge that God has sent him to proclaim His Holy Name - at that moment in time, we will all be called by God as His people. His New Israel - a new nation of God!"
There is nothing about the New Israel or anything like what Erano is promoting with respect to the texts that are being quoted. Isaiah 66 speaks of Israel's own restoration, namely that of the Jewish people returning to God.
"66 This is what the Lord says:
“Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.
Where is the house you will build for me?
Where will my resting place be?
2 Has not my hand made all these things,
and so they came into being?”
declares the Lord.
“These are the ones I look on with favor:
those who are humble and contrite in spirit,
and who tremble at my word.
3 But whoever sacrifices a bull
is like one who kills a person,
and whoever offers a lamb
is like one who breaks a dog’s neck;
whoever makes a grain offering
is like one who presents pig’s blood,
and whoever burns memorial incense
is like one who worships an idol.
They have chosen their own ways,
and they delight in their abominations;
4 so I also will choose harsh treatment for them
and will bring on them what they dread.
For when I called, no one answered,
when I spoke, no one listened.
They did evil in my sight
and chose what displeases me.”
5 Hear the word of the Lord,
you who tremble at his word:
“Your own people who hate you,
and exclude you because of my name, have said,
‘Let the Lord be glorified,
that we may see your joy!’
Yet they will be put to shame.
6 Hear that uproar from the city,
hear that noise from the temple!
It is the sound of the Lord
repaying his enemies all they deserve.
7 “Before she goes into labor,
she gives birth;
before the pains come upon her,
she delivers a son.
8 Who has ever heard of such things?
Who has ever seen things like this?
Can a country be born in a day
or a nation be brought forth in a moment?
Yet no sooner is Zion in labor
than she gives birth to her children.
9 Do I bring to the moment of birth
and not give delivery?” says the Lord.
“Do I close up the womb
when I bring to delivery?” says your God.
10 “Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her,
all you who love her;
rejoice greatly with her,
all you who mourn over her.
11 For you will nurse and be satisfied
at her comforting breasts;
you will drink deeply
and delight in her overflowing abundance.”
12 For this is what the Lord says:
“I will extend peace to her like a river,
and the wealth of nations like a flooding stream;
you will nurse and be carried on her arm
and dandled on her knees.
13 As a mother comforts her child,
so will I comfort you;
and you will be comforted over Jerusalem.”
14 When you see this, your heart will rejoice
and you will flourish like grass;
the hand of the Lord will be made known to his servants,
but his fury will be shown to his foes.
15 See, the Lord is coming with fire,
and his chariots are like a whirlwind;
he will bring down his anger with fury,
and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For with fire and with his sword
the Lord will execute judgment on all people,
and many will be those slain by the Lord.
17 “Those who consecrate and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one who is among those who eat the flesh of pigs, rats and other unclean things—they will meet their end together with the one they follow,” declares the Lord.
18 “And I, because of what they have planned and done, am about to come[a] and gather the people of all nations and languages, and they will come and see my glory.
19 “I will set a sign among them, and I will send some of those who survive to the nations—to Tarshish, to the Libyans[b] and Lydians (famous as archers), to Tubal and Greece, and to the distant islands that have not heard of my fame or seen my glory. They will proclaim my glory among the nations. 20 And they will bring all your people, from all the nations, to my holy mountain in Jerusalem as an offering to the Lord—on horses, in chariots and wagons, and on mules and camels,” says the Lord. “They will bring them, as the Israelites bring their grain offerings, to the temple of the Lord in ceremonially clean vessels. 21 And I will select some of them also to be priests and Levites,” says the Lord.
22 “As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord. 24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”"
There is also an endtime judgement in which those who refuse to submit to God will be subject to hellfire for all eternity, namely in verse 24 in particular. The subject of a New Moon and Sabbaths may be looked at in another article if the Lord Wills.
Deuteronomy 18 has already been tackled here: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/who-are-false-prophets-maestro-erano.html
"Let us read again:
She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
Revelation 12:2-3 (NIV)
"an enormous red dragon " - the woman was against the snake in the Garden of Eden.
Maestro Evangelista says, the dragon (serpent) is still mentioned in the Book of Revelation and it means that the struggle that started in the Garden of Eden (in the book of Genesis) is still going on. It has not yet been settled.
“Seven heads-“ – The dragon mentioned here is not Satan nor Jesus anymore, but those who continue the deception that Jesus and his apostles had propagated. “Seven” also means being many (or continuous, like the seven days in a week), one main religion that had spawn many other religions, churches and beliefs.
This is none other than Christianity as it preached the worship of the one to whom Satan (Devil) had given his power – Jesus. Out of it came different sects - Catholicism, Protestantism, Born- Again, Orthodox, Baptists, Iglesia ni Cristo or Church of Christ etc."
Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Iglesia ni Cristo and the Church of Christ cult are not Christian groups at all. The dragon with 7 heads IS Satan, not a main religion spawning several religions. While seven can mean many, this wouldn't prove Erano's case to be true.
Let us carry on in another article if the Lord Wills.
Answering Judaism.
Sunday, 22 June 2014
Response to Erano: A look at the END OF LAWLESSNESS AND EVIL 4
Do I really have to introduce what I am going to write about in this article? Not really. I think we know the drill when it comes to Erano.
"You may ask: If Jesus was already punished by God, how did this deception of his spread throughout the world?
“When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick.”
Luke 9:1-2 (NIV)
“he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases” - Jesus gave his disciples his power, the very same power he got from Satan. This same power was transferred to the religions from Jesus’ apostles and disciples.
“sent them out to preach the kingdom of God” - And this “god” whom the disciples had preached is none other than “Jesus” as Satan’s power was already with him."
The God proclaimed in the context of Luke 9 is the Father, the first person of the Trinity, And who are the members of the Trinity? Father, Son and Spirit. With the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, the disciples drive out demons. There isn't a false god being proclaimed in the context and Erano has not demonstrated that point forcefully, Nor have his followers.
"You may notice how the deception had become greater from Satan to Jesus. In Satan’s time (in the Garden of Eden), he only overturned one law of God. In the case of Jesus,to show that he truly worships Satan, he should execute or achieve an even greater deception than what Satan had done. Jesus overturned the Ten Commandments of God, thus carrying out a much greater deception than Satan. However, both their deceptions are nothing compared to what the apostles and religions had done. They had made humanity worship and revere the brutally punished Jesus as god!"
I have already pointed out previously that Jesus did NOT overturn the Law, HE FULFILLED THE LAW. Read the following:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/observance-of-torah-demanded-of-gentiles.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/examination-of-some-arguments-raised-by.html
I have demonstrated elsewhere that Jesus DID NOT worship Satan and no 2 Samuel 7:14 is NOT argument against Jesus:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-true-authority-and-true-glory-of.html
Sigh, How can people put up with reading repetitious material such as Erano's I'll never know. Most material of his I can just link to another article due to either addressing it or adding additional material sometimes if Erano repeats a point and adds more to it.
"There is no greater deception than to make humanity believe that a man who was brutally punished (and even cried out before he died, complaining to his “god”, why was he forsaken) as a god? This is why the religions today had all this wealth and power because they are the ones who continued
Jesus’ deception and thus continue worshiping Satan. They deserve the splendor and authority that Satan had promised to Jesus before."
Just read the previous articles above, I needn't repeat myself here.
As for Revelation 12:9, it is speaking of the devil and the evil angels who sided with him. In fact just reading on from Revelation 12-14, you will find the saints are the ones who are oppressed by the devil and the beast. But let's take a look at Erano's points to refute him and drive my point home.
"Now that we have known how the deception of Satan which Jesus had preached had been spread all over the world, we may now understand the following verse:
The great dragon was hurled down - that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan,
who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Revelation 12:9 (NIV)
“who leads the whole world astray.“- indeed the whole world was led astray by Satan through Jesus, the apostles and religions
"was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." - Who are the angels of Satan? They are the religions! They are the ones who continued the deception of the apostles about Jesus! This means Jesus is no longer the enemy as he had long been dead. He already paid the price of his failure and his wrongdoing through his brutal death. It is now the religions as they are the ones who are still propagating the deception of Satan!
With all that we have just read about Jesus being the offspring of Satan and as revealed to us by God in the scriptures through His real prophet like Moses, Teacher Evangelista, we can now understand this truth:
That the BATTLE that God spoke about long ago in the book of Genesis between the offspring of the woman and that of the Serpent (or Satan) is now about to happen IN OUR TIME."
The angels mentioned are the angels who betrayed God and followed Satan, NOT the apostles themselves and in the same context of Revelation, JESUS IS ALIVE AND IS THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, WHICH IS A TITLE THAT BELONGS TO YHWH ALONE!!! Read this article on the subject of the Alpha and Omega:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/identity-of-one-only-biblical-lord-god.html
"When Jesus failed, will God let the serpent’s head or Satan’s deception remain and not be crushed as He said in Genesis 3:15?
11so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty,
But will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
Isaiah 55:11 (NIV)
No! It says" it will not return empty”- This means God will not allow His purpose to come to naught. He will choose another man who will accomplish His purpose of making His Name known thus crushing the head of the serpent or destroying the deception of Satan. This time, not by a Jew or descendant of David, as Jesus was the last from David’s lineage.
It will be a Gentile or a non-Jew whom He will now send to make His Name known."
WHERE DID JESUS FAIL? It's not there in the NT. ERANO IS LYING TO YOU!! Anyway Genesis 3:15 has been addressed here:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/an-examination-of-prophecy-of-good.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/an-examination-of-prophecy-of-good_3.html
The abuse of 1 Kings 8:41-43 and also the claim it's talking about the prophet like Moses has already been covered in my first article response to Erano:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html
"“the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem” – why is it mentioned here as “New Jerusalem”?
Maestro Evangelista says: God will not change His promise that His Name will be placed in Jerusalem, so wherever His Name is proclaimed, that place will be called the “New Jerusalem.”
If the prophet like Moses, whom God had sent to speak in His Name comes from an Island country in the East, it follows that God's Name will be proclaimed in the same country.
In what distant land will the prophet like Moses, who will proclaim the Name of God, come from?
They raise their voices, they shout for joy; from the west they acclaim the LORD's majesty. Therefore in the east give glory to the LORD; exalt the name of the LORD, the God of Israel, in the islands of the sea.
Isaiah 24:14-15 (NIV)
It is written that the real true Name of God will be glorified in the East, in the Islands of the sea. This is because the man (whom God chose as His prophet like Moses to reveal His Name), comes from the island country in the East- the Philippines
When King Solomon said “when he comes and prays toward this temple,” - it does not mean that the chosen one will go to present day Jerusalem as there is a “new Jerusalem”. It only means that when the foreigner or the prophet like Moses appears he will lead everyone on how to truly worship God by calling on God’s true Name."
The context of Isaiah 24 is NOT talking about a prophet from the Philippines, it is referring to the Gentile nations coming to praise the God of Israel and worship him forever, specifically referring to the semitic nations surrounding Israel and then eventually the world. Gentiles from both east and west are praising God, eventually all, all who believe that is, worship him forever. There is nothing about a future prophet from the east, nothing about him coming from the Philippines. 1 Kings 8:41-43 has already been addressed.
More objections shall be addressed in another article.
Answering Judaism.
"You may ask: If Jesus was already punished by God, how did this deception of his spread throughout the world?
“When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick.”
Luke 9:1-2 (NIV)
“he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases” - Jesus gave his disciples his power, the very same power he got from Satan. This same power was transferred to the religions from Jesus’ apostles and disciples.
“sent them out to preach the kingdom of God” - And this “god” whom the disciples had preached is none other than “Jesus” as Satan’s power was already with him."
The God proclaimed in the context of Luke 9 is the Father, the first person of the Trinity, And who are the members of the Trinity? Father, Son and Spirit. With the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, the disciples drive out demons. There isn't a false god being proclaimed in the context and Erano has not demonstrated that point forcefully, Nor have his followers.
"You may notice how the deception had become greater from Satan to Jesus. In Satan’s time (in the Garden of Eden), he only overturned one law of God. In the case of Jesus,to show that he truly worships Satan, he should execute or achieve an even greater deception than what Satan had done. Jesus overturned the Ten Commandments of God, thus carrying out a much greater deception than Satan. However, both their deceptions are nothing compared to what the apostles and religions had done. They had made humanity worship and revere the brutally punished Jesus as god!"
I have already pointed out previously that Jesus did NOT overturn the Law, HE FULFILLED THE LAW. Read the following:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/observance-of-torah-demanded-of-gentiles.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/examination-of-some-arguments-raised-by.html
I have demonstrated elsewhere that Jesus DID NOT worship Satan and no 2 Samuel 7:14 is NOT argument against Jesus:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-true-authority-and-true-glory-of.html
Sigh, How can people put up with reading repetitious material such as Erano's I'll never know. Most material of his I can just link to another article due to either addressing it or adding additional material sometimes if Erano repeats a point and adds more to it.
"There is no greater deception than to make humanity believe that a man who was brutally punished (and even cried out before he died, complaining to his “god”, why was he forsaken) as a god? This is why the religions today had all this wealth and power because they are the ones who continued
Jesus’ deception and thus continue worshiping Satan. They deserve the splendor and authority that Satan had promised to Jesus before."
Just read the previous articles above, I needn't repeat myself here.
As for Revelation 12:9, it is speaking of the devil and the evil angels who sided with him. In fact just reading on from Revelation 12-14, you will find the saints are the ones who are oppressed by the devil and the beast. But let's take a look at Erano's points to refute him and drive my point home.
"Now that we have known how the deception of Satan which Jesus had preached had been spread all over the world, we may now understand the following verse:
The great dragon was hurled down - that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan,
who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Revelation 12:9 (NIV)
“who leads the whole world astray.“- indeed the whole world was led astray by Satan through Jesus, the apostles and religions
"was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." - Who are the angels of Satan? They are the religions! They are the ones who continued the deception of the apostles about Jesus! This means Jesus is no longer the enemy as he had long been dead. He already paid the price of his failure and his wrongdoing through his brutal death. It is now the religions as they are the ones who are still propagating the deception of Satan!
With all that we have just read about Jesus being the offspring of Satan and as revealed to us by God in the scriptures through His real prophet like Moses, Teacher Evangelista, we can now understand this truth:
That the BATTLE that God spoke about long ago in the book of Genesis between the offspring of the woman and that of the Serpent (or Satan) is now about to happen IN OUR TIME."
The angels mentioned are the angels who betrayed God and followed Satan, NOT the apostles themselves and in the same context of Revelation, JESUS IS ALIVE AND IS THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, WHICH IS A TITLE THAT BELONGS TO YHWH ALONE!!! Read this article on the subject of the Alpha and Omega:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/identity-of-one-only-biblical-lord-god.html
"When Jesus failed, will God let the serpent’s head or Satan’s deception remain and not be crushed as He said in Genesis 3:15?
11so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty,
But will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
Isaiah 55:11 (NIV)
No! It says" it will not return empty”- This means God will not allow His purpose to come to naught. He will choose another man who will accomplish His purpose of making His Name known thus crushing the head of the serpent or destroying the deception of Satan. This time, not by a Jew or descendant of David, as Jesus was the last from David’s lineage.
It will be a Gentile or a non-Jew whom He will now send to make His Name known."
WHERE DID JESUS FAIL? It's not there in the NT. ERANO IS LYING TO YOU!! Anyway Genesis 3:15 has been addressed here:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/an-examination-of-prophecy-of-good.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/an-examination-of-prophecy-of-good_3.html
The abuse of 1 Kings 8:41-43 and also the claim it's talking about the prophet like Moses has already been covered in my first article response to Erano:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html
"“the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem” – why is it mentioned here as “New Jerusalem”?
Maestro Evangelista says: God will not change His promise that His Name will be placed in Jerusalem, so wherever His Name is proclaimed, that place will be called the “New Jerusalem.”
If the prophet like Moses, whom God had sent to speak in His Name comes from an Island country in the East, it follows that God's Name will be proclaimed in the same country.
In what distant land will the prophet like Moses, who will proclaim the Name of God, come from?
They raise their voices, they shout for joy; from the west they acclaim the LORD's majesty. Therefore in the east give glory to the LORD; exalt the name of the LORD, the God of Israel, in the islands of the sea.
Isaiah 24:14-15 (NIV)
It is written that the real true Name of God will be glorified in the East, in the Islands of the sea. This is because the man (whom God chose as His prophet like Moses to reveal His Name), comes from the island country in the East- the Philippines
When King Solomon said “when he comes and prays toward this temple,” - it does not mean that the chosen one will go to present day Jerusalem as there is a “new Jerusalem”. It only means that when the foreigner or the prophet like Moses appears he will lead everyone on how to truly worship God by calling on God’s true Name."
The context of Isaiah 24 is NOT talking about a prophet from the Philippines, it is referring to the Gentile nations coming to praise the God of Israel and worship him forever, specifically referring to the semitic nations surrounding Israel and then eventually the world. Gentiles from both east and west are praising God, eventually all, all who believe that is, worship him forever. There is nothing about a future prophet from the east, nothing about him coming from the Philippines. 1 Kings 8:41-43 has already been addressed.
More objections shall be addressed in another article.
Answering Judaism.
Saturday, 21 June 2014
Comments on recent Ecumenism between Anglicans and Catholics
I'll be blunt and honest here, ecumenism is NOT an option for Christians.
Recently I found out in the Metro newspaper that there are Catholics and Anglicans who are teaming up with each other to combat human trafficking and are attempting to stop this abominable practice. While it is fine and dandy to speak out evil and injustice, it is abominable for any Christian to team up with Roman Catholics.
As one who is an Anglican, though probably not forever, I am appalled by this.
This isn't new as High Anglican churches have much in common with Roman Catholicism, minus the Pope.
Those who seek communion with Catholics in fellowship such as William Lane Craig, the late Chuck Colson, Rick Warren and the Archbishop of Canterbury, are disobeying God's word, as the scripture tells us not to seek communion or fellowship with heretics.
Anti-Trinitarians such as Modalists like T.D Jakes or Itzhak Shapira or Roger Perkins or individuals such as Greg Stafford and Anthony Buzzard and many others should not be fellow shipped with, Eastern Orthodox AND Roman Catholics included, despite their acknowledgement of the Biblical Witness of the Trinity.
Keith Thompson of Reformed Apologetics Ministries, along with interviews with Richard Bennett and Robert Zins, have exposed Roman Catholicism as the fraudulent church it is, namely it's mariolatry, idolatry, works salvation, transubstantiation, necromancy, and it's denial of justification by faith alone in Christ alone, in a documentary which can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS9zSP2udOA
I would exhort the Anglicans who support Roman Catholicism and are reading this to move away from Rome and seek to evangelise them and bring them to the glorious knee of Jesus to whom every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that as Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Answering Judaism.
Addendum, I Meant to say Christians are not to team up with Catholics, NOT Christians are not to team up with Christians. The error has been corrected.
Addendum 2: This article deals with the comment that has been made by XM Flash below: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/addendum-to-comments-on-anglicans-and.html
Recently I found out in the Metro newspaper that there are Catholics and Anglicans who are teaming up with each other to combat human trafficking and are attempting to stop this abominable practice. While it is fine and dandy to speak out evil and injustice, it is abominable for any Christian to team up with Roman Catholics.
As one who is an Anglican, though probably not forever, I am appalled by this.
This isn't new as High Anglican churches have much in common with Roman Catholicism, minus the Pope.
Those who seek communion with Catholics in fellowship such as William Lane Craig, the late Chuck Colson, Rick Warren and the Archbishop of Canterbury, are disobeying God's word, as the scripture tells us not to seek communion or fellowship with heretics.
Anti-Trinitarians such as Modalists like T.D Jakes or Itzhak Shapira or Roger Perkins or individuals such as Greg Stafford and Anthony Buzzard and many others should not be fellow shipped with, Eastern Orthodox AND Roman Catholics included, despite their acknowledgement of the Biblical Witness of the Trinity.
Keith Thompson of Reformed Apologetics Ministries, along with interviews with Richard Bennett and Robert Zins, have exposed Roman Catholicism as the fraudulent church it is, namely it's mariolatry, idolatry, works salvation, transubstantiation, necromancy, and it's denial of justification by faith alone in Christ alone, in a documentary which can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS9zSP2udOA
I would exhort the Anglicans who support Roman Catholicism and are reading this to move away from Rome and seek to evangelise them and bring them to the glorious knee of Jesus to whom every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that as Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Answering Judaism.
Addendum, I Meant to say Christians are not to team up with Catholics, NOT Christians are not to team up with Christians. The error has been corrected.
Addendum 2: This article deals with the comment that has been made by XM Flash below: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/addendum-to-comments-on-anglicans-and.html
Friday, 20 June 2014
How Angel Lawin likes responding to my articles 2
Now for another article dealing with Lawin's objections.
"Let us also read his self –defeating explanation of his reasoning about Isaiah 65:20 in the link: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.com/2014/05/comments-on-isaiah-65-response-to-angel.html
I said :Take note- when he preaches about eternal life it means no more death but why in Isaiah 65:20 God said that people will live and die in a good old age? Does eternal life all this time mean you will die in a good age as religions preach?
What can you say now about what's inside of BOBO's head when he said that in heaven-people will still build houses- wow then it means there is also a hardware store? Then it also means there is a bidding for contractors to build houses in heaven?
LOL and ROFL (rolling on the floor laughing)"
This is nothing more than mockery on the part of Lawin. I am not going to even bother answering the question about hardware stores. My response regarding Isaiah 65:20 is quoted by Lawin in his paper.
"BOBO’s desperate response is:
Here is what Lawin failed to quote in the article he responded to:
"The passage not only has a future application, but also refers to a restoration of Israel in the present time. Also, Daniel whom I mentioned earlier, has revealed to him the resurrection of the dead along with those rising to eternal life and those to eternal contempt. And God was the one who sent an angel to reveal this to Daniel. So God actually confirms my point, not Erano's or Lawin's: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+12&version=NIV"
Isaiah 65:20 refers to what will transpire with respect to the restoration of Israel. In the historical context, Isaiah 65 speaks of Israel being restored to it's former glory which it had lost through it's endorsement of idolatry and immorality but there are certain aspects that are not carried over into the afterlife when we die. For example we needn't expect to look forward to a long life because we have something better, eternal life.
Of course Lawin won't accept the explanation considering he blindly believes anything and everything that Erano says without question.
My answer To Bobo:
Whatever you say, the death blow we dealt with you concerning Isaiah 65:20 still stands because it speaks about the coming blessing of God about a long life here on Earth and not about a fictitious afterlife. You are just trying to wiggle out of your wrong explanation earlier in which you said:
"Where's the problem with farming occuring in heaven? Adam himself tended to fruit and vegetables in a perfect world in Eden, so why wouldn't there be agriculture in heaven? The same with constructing houses. The earth is going to be restored to the way God intended it, along with having the human race worshipping him for all eternity. Heaven is not going to be a Sunday service singing a chorus umpteen times, there will be other things to do in the presence of the Lord. Even Isaiah 11, a messianic passage, speaks on man "beating his sword into plowshares and his spears into pruning hooks", which would entail a certain usage in heaven. We wouldn't need food to survive in heaven, but certainly meals may be conducted to glorify him."
Now let us read what was written in Isaiah 65:17-21
17 “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create;For behold, I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing,And her people a joy.19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem,And joy in My people;The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her,Nor the voice of crying.
20 “No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;For the child shall die one hundred years old,But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isaiah 65:17-21 NKJV
Now BOBO, let me ask you, when it is written "“No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;For the child shall die one hundred years old,But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed." Does it speak about a literal eternal life in heaven or a long life here on earth? If it is a long life here on Earth then it follows that there is no afterlife to be expected.
If you insist that the said prophecy speaks about Israel's restoration, You mean that the Jews alone in Israel in the middle East will have a very long life and not other people from other nations? What a twisted explanation you have just made!"
There is no wriggling out of anything and again I reiterate, The passage NOT ONLY has a future application, but ALSO, not in contradiction to, refers to a restoration of Israel in the present time. Daniel whom I mentioned earlier, has revealed to him the resurrection of the dead along with those rising to eternal life and those to eternal contempt. And God was the one who sent an angel to reveal this to Daniel. So God actually confirms my point, not Erano's or Lawin's: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+12&version=NIV
Isaiah 65:20 refers to what will transpire with respect to the restoration of Israel. In the historical context, Isaiah 65 speaks of Israel being restored to it's former glory which it had lost through it's endorsement of idolatry and immorality but there are certain aspects that are not carried over into the afterlife when we die. For example we needn't expect to look forward to a long life because we have something better, eternal life.
In the historical context Israel can look forward to a long life on this earth and AFTER THEY DIE, can look forward to eternal joy in heaven with YHWH. My argument was not disregarding Gentiles, they were not relevant to the point I was making about the historical context of the passage.
You still have Daniel to tackle, which is part of the very TANAKH you and your prophet have been using when making your assertions. You making a death blow Lawin? Hardly, all you have done is make your sword blunt.
"Of course why I should follow your explanation? Are you the prophet whom God spoke about in Deut.18:18-19 that I should listen to what you say about God? You are not the promised prophet nor it is Jesus, so whatever you explain are all lies and not the truth that God wants us to know about His word.
If you are not the said prophet then you cannot say that God confirms your deceitful explanations about His word because it is just your own, it is not God who put His words in your mouth to make such explanations.
What was written in Deut.13 applies to Jesus and you. Jesus suffered the brutal death spoken in it and no matter how you refute it, it is still nothing. You are not a prophet remember? You are just an idiot whose dream of becoming an apologist to the Jews was made trash by the revelation of the real prophet of God, Maestro Evangelista.
The warning from God which was written in Deut.13 :1-6 is not for us-it is for you, add to it the warning of God written in Deut.18:18-19 to people like you who chose not to listen to His real prophet like Moses. It is not us who preach a different God-it is you as you preach that the man Jesus who was punished by God with the beatings of men for his own wrong is a god. You are the one who’s making such blasphemous writings about God. As a matter of fact, you just made the worse explanation when you preached that God is the man whom Jacob wrestled with in Genesis 32 :24-29 when in truth it is not God but His angel as confirmed in Hosea 12:2-4.
Tsk, Tsk, What a liar you really are, BOBO Benett. LOL"
I never claimed to be the prophet like Moses anyway, let alone a prophet, BUT, What you cannot even hold into your mind is that IT DOESN'T PROVE ERANO TO BE THE PROPHET LIKE MOSES. YOU ARE ASSUMING WHAT YOU HAVE YET TO PROVE!!
Deuteronomy 13 DOESN'T apply to Jesus because his death was not for misleading the people, his death was to bring atonement via his vicarious suffering on the cross and he couldn't take the penalty if he wasn't sinless. The very NT you and Erano quote REFUTE YOU!!
For reading about the angel of the LORD, read the previous article:
The reason Deuteronomy 13 doesn't refute me is simple. If Christ rose from the dead, his claims to deity are thus confirmed, as well as his Messiahship. Furthermore, He claims to be YHWH, though he is not the Father in heaven and prays to the Father in heaven. Erano by contrast is a false prophet who contradicts the TANAKH and the New Testament and thus can be dismissed as a false prophet with ZERO credibility.
Hence my arguments on Deuteronomy 13 STILL stand:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/deuteronomy-13-question-of-vindication.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/deuteronomy-13-question-of-vindication-2.html
Though Erano claims to proclaim the God of the Bible, his doctrine is falsified BY the Bible.
Furthermore, continually saying "If you are not the said prophet then you cannot say that God confirms your deceitful explanations about His word because it is just your own, it is not God who put His words in your mouth to make such explanations." is NOT A REBUTTAL, It's a dismissal. A dismissal is NOT a rebuttal. This is nothing but rhetoric and doesn't address the arguments I raise.
Hope this article has been a blessing to those seeking the truth.
Answering Judaism.
"Let us also read his self –defeating explanation of his reasoning about Isaiah 65:20 in the link: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.com/2014/05/comments-on-isaiah-65-response-to-angel.html
I said :Take note- when he preaches about eternal life it means no more death but why in Isaiah 65:20 God said that people will live and die in a good old age? Does eternal life all this time mean you will die in a good age as religions preach?
What can you say now about what's inside of BOBO's head when he said that in heaven-people will still build houses- wow then it means there is also a hardware store? Then it also means there is a bidding for contractors to build houses in heaven?
LOL and ROFL (rolling on the floor laughing)"
This is nothing more than mockery on the part of Lawin. I am not going to even bother answering the question about hardware stores. My response regarding Isaiah 65:20 is quoted by Lawin in his paper.
"BOBO’s desperate response is:
Here is what Lawin failed to quote in the article he responded to:
"The passage not only has a future application, but also refers to a restoration of Israel in the present time. Also, Daniel whom I mentioned earlier, has revealed to him the resurrection of the dead along with those rising to eternal life and those to eternal contempt. And God was the one who sent an angel to reveal this to Daniel. So God actually confirms my point, not Erano's or Lawin's: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+12&version=NIV"
Isaiah 65:20 refers to what will transpire with respect to the restoration of Israel. In the historical context, Isaiah 65 speaks of Israel being restored to it's former glory which it had lost through it's endorsement of idolatry and immorality but there are certain aspects that are not carried over into the afterlife when we die. For example we needn't expect to look forward to a long life because we have something better, eternal life.
Of course Lawin won't accept the explanation considering he blindly believes anything and everything that Erano says without question.
My answer To Bobo:
Whatever you say, the death blow we dealt with you concerning Isaiah 65:20 still stands because it speaks about the coming blessing of God about a long life here on Earth and not about a fictitious afterlife. You are just trying to wiggle out of your wrong explanation earlier in which you said:
"Where's the problem with farming occuring in heaven? Adam himself tended to fruit and vegetables in a perfect world in Eden, so why wouldn't there be agriculture in heaven? The same with constructing houses. The earth is going to be restored to the way God intended it, along with having the human race worshipping him for all eternity. Heaven is not going to be a Sunday service singing a chorus umpteen times, there will be other things to do in the presence of the Lord. Even Isaiah 11, a messianic passage, speaks on man "beating his sword into plowshares and his spears into pruning hooks", which would entail a certain usage in heaven. We wouldn't need food to survive in heaven, but certainly meals may be conducted to glorify him."
Now let us read what was written in Isaiah 65:17-21
17 “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create;For behold, I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing,And her people a joy.19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem,And joy in My people;The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her,Nor the voice of crying.
20 “No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;For the child shall die one hundred years old,But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isaiah 65:17-21 NKJV
Now BOBO, let me ask you, when it is written "“No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;For the child shall die one hundred years old,But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed." Does it speak about a literal eternal life in heaven or a long life here on earth? If it is a long life here on Earth then it follows that there is no afterlife to be expected.
If you insist that the said prophecy speaks about Israel's restoration, You mean that the Jews alone in Israel in the middle East will have a very long life and not other people from other nations? What a twisted explanation you have just made!"
There is no wriggling out of anything and again I reiterate, The passage NOT ONLY has a future application, but ALSO, not in contradiction to, refers to a restoration of Israel in the present time. Daniel whom I mentioned earlier, has revealed to him the resurrection of the dead along with those rising to eternal life and those to eternal contempt. And God was the one who sent an angel to reveal this to Daniel. So God actually confirms my point, not Erano's or Lawin's: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+12&version=NIV
Isaiah 65:20 refers to what will transpire with respect to the restoration of Israel. In the historical context, Isaiah 65 speaks of Israel being restored to it's former glory which it had lost through it's endorsement of idolatry and immorality but there are certain aspects that are not carried over into the afterlife when we die. For example we needn't expect to look forward to a long life because we have something better, eternal life.
In the historical context Israel can look forward to a long life on this earth and AFTER THEY DIE, can look forward to eternal joy in heaven with YHWH. My argument was not disregarding Gentiles, they were not relevant to the point I was making about the historical context of the passage.
You still have Daniel to tackle, which is part of the very TANAKH you and your prophet have been using when making your assertions. You making a death blow Lawin? Hardly, all you have done is make your sword blunt.
"Of course why I should follow your explanation? Are you the prophet whom God spoke about in Deut.18:18-19 that I should listen to what you say about God? You are not the promised prophet nor it is Jesus, so whatever you explain are all lies and not the truth that God wants us to know about His word.
If you are not the said prophet then you cannot say that God confirms your deceitful explanations about His word because it is just your own, it is not God who put His words in your mouth to make such explanations.
What was written in Deut.13 applies to Jesus and you. Jesus suffered the brutal death spoken in it and no matter how you refute it, it is still nothing. You are not a prophet remember? You are just an idiot whose dream of becoming an apologist to the Jews was made trash by the revelation of the real prophet of God, Maestro Evangelista.
The warning from God which was written in Deut.13 :1-6 is not for us-it is for you, add to it the warning of God written in Deut.18:18-19 to people like you who chose not to listen to His real prophet like Moses. It is not us who preach a different God-it is you as you preach that the man Jesus who was punished by God with the beatings of men for his own wrong is a god. You are the one who’s making such blasphemous writings about God. As a matter of fact, you just made the worse explanation when you preached that God is the man whom Jacob wrestled with in Genesis 32 :24-29 when in truth it is not God but His angel as confirmed in Hosea 12:2-4.
Tsk, Tsk, What a liar you really are, BOBO Benett. LOL"
I never claimed to be the prophet like Moses anyway, let alone a prophet, BUT, What you cannot even hold into your mind is that IT DOESN'T PROVE ERANO TO BE THE PROPHET LIKE MOSES. YOU ARE ASSUMING WHAT YOU HAVE YET TO PROVE!!
Deuteronomy 13 DOESN'T apply to Jesus because his death was not for misleading the people, his death was to bring atonement via his vicarious suffering on the cross and he couldn't take the penalty if he wasn't sinless. The very NT you and Erano quote REFUTE YOU!!
For reading about the angel of the LORD, read the previous article:
The reason Deuteronomy 13 doesn't refute me is simple. If Christ rose from the dead, his claims to deity are thus confirmed, as well as his Messiahship. Furthermore, He claims to be YHWH, though he is not the Father in heaven and prays to the Father in heaven. Erano by contrast is a false prophet who contradicts the TANAKH and the New Testament and thus can be dismissed as a false prophet with ZERO credibility.
Hence my arguments on Deuteronomy 13 STILL stand:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/deuteronomy-13-question-of-vindication.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/deuteronomy-13-question-of-vindication-2.html
Though Erano claims to proclaim the God of the Bible, his doctrine is falsified BY the Bible.
Furthermore, continually saying "If you are not the said prophet then you cannot say that God confirms your deceitful explanations about His word because it is just your own, it is not God who put His words in your mouth to make such explanations." is NOT A REBUTTAL, It's a dismissal. A dismissal is NOT a rebuttal. This is nothing but rhetoric and doesn't address the arguments I raise.
Hope this article has been a blessing to those seeking the truth.
Answering Judaism.
How Angel Lawin likes responding to my articles
Once again I'll be addressing Angel Lawin, one of the followers of the Maestro M Evangelista.
"Hello again Brothers!
Take a look how deceitful Jake Benett aka BOBO benett of answeringjudaism is in what he had written in:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.com/2014/05/yhwh-returns-response-to-maestro-m_11.html
He said in his explanation about Genesis 32:24-30 is this:
The man who wrestles with Jacob was YHWH God. YHWH appeared as a man and wrestled with Jacob and eventually blesses him. This individual was the angel of the LORD, a divine entity in the TANAKH who appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18 and 19. The angel was Jesus appearing as a man, but not fully being incarnated at these points in time and only Jesus could make the Father known to mankind.
Brothers we can read that BOBO claims that the man whom Jacob wrestled with was God Himself.
Think about it people, God the great God of gods wrestled a man?? Clearly BOBO benett is really BOBO because he wrote a blasphemy against God!
Now why don’t we read what God Himself showed to Maestro Evangelista in the scriptures who Jacob wrestled with.
The fact is this revelation concerning Genesis 32had been revealed many times in the articles in www.thename.ph, had this serpent read all the articles in the website well, he should not have made such a STUPID explanation of Genesis 32:24-30"
Let's see if we actually get a decent response to my arguments.Also, My argument is that God appeared as a man to Jacob but a true incarnation hadn't taken place. It is not blasphemy for YHWH to take on a human appearance or come in the flesh to interact with his people.
I have no idea why Lawin assumes that simply reading every article written by Erano would prove him to be who he says he is.
"We will read the explanation of the prophet like Moses, Teacher Eraño Evangelista:
So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak.
Genesis 32:24 (NIV)
Remember, it is not God who wrestled with Jacob- it is a man.
When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.” But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
Genesis 32:25-26 (NIV)
He overcame or won over the “man.” Jacob would not let go of the man unless he was given its blessing. Jacob knew that the one he wrestled with was a man of God.
The man asked him, “What is your name?” “Jacob,” he answered. Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome. Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.” But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.
Genesis 32:27-29 (NIV)
Jacob was given the name Israel, but he is still asking for the name of the “man. "ISRAEL” - This is the Name that was given to him by the “man”. From here we can understand that the name “Israel” was given to Jacob as a blessing.
So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw
God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
Genesis 32:30 (NIV)
Why did Jacob say that he had seen God when in truth it is only a “man” whom he had wrestled?
The man introduced in the context is YHWH, Jacob blatantly says "It is because I saw
God face to face, and yet my life was spared.". He is BLATANTLY SPEAKING ABOUT YHWH.
"Can God be seen?
But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
Exodus 33:20 (NIV)
If we will see Him, we will die. Therefore it is not God whom Jacob wrestled with. How can we prove that Jacob did not see God?
The LORD has a charge to bring against Judah; he will punish Jacob
according to his ways and repay him according to his deeds. In the womb
he grasped his brother’s heel; as a man he struggled with God.
Hosea 12:2-3 (NIV)
“In the womb he grasped his brother’s heel“-Jacob‘s innate character was described – and that was his PERSISTENCE when he did not let himself be left behind when he grasped his brother’s heel as they were coming out of their mother’s womb.
He struggled with the angel and overcame him; he wept and begged for his favor. He found him at Bethel and talked with him there -
Hosea 12:4 (NIV)
He struggled with THE ANGEL and overcame him; It is now clear, the “man” whom Jacob wrestled with was an “angel of God” and not God Himself.
Why did Jacob gave the Angel of God such respect? What authority does an Angel of God have from God?
“See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.
Exodus 23:20-21 (NIV)
“Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.”- This is why Jacob gave such respect to the angel or man of God as the angel was sent by God to bring His message.
Once again Bobo Benett is exposed. It is not God whom Jacob wrestled with-it is God’s angel, a man"
As Erano has mentioned elsewhere, he admits that the word angel can mean messenger and not usually a divine being or entity. I have written on Genesis 18 and Exodus 24 in my article Contra Blumenthal which can be found here: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/contra-blumenthal-examination-of-contra.html
The appeal to Hosea doesn't help Erano, What angel causes a man to say "I have seen God and yet live". This isn't an ordinary Elohim as in the context of the passages like Exodus 3 where Moses is made God to Pharaoh. Hosea does identify the man as an angel, but this doesn't refute the application that it is YHWH who wrestles with Jacob.
The same Angel who YHWH's name in him in the context of Exodus 23 later in the Judges 2, chastises the people for disobeying HIM:
"2 The angel of the Lord went up from Gilgal to Bokim and said, “I brought you up out of Egypt and led you into the land I swore to give to your ancestors. I said, ‘I will never break my covenant with you, 2 and you shall not make a covenant with the people of this land, but you shall break down their altars.’ Yet you have disobeyed me. Why have you done this? 3 And I have also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; they will become traps for you, and their gods will become snares to you.’ 4 When the angel of the Lord had spoken these things to all the Israelites, the people wept aloud, 5 and they called that place Bokim.[a] There they offered sacrifices to the Lord."
The argument of agency will not deal with this adequately. See my article Contra Blumenthal.
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/contra-blumenthal-examination-of-contra.html
"Now to finish off BOBO and his deception:
Now let us read again what BOBO said concerning Jesus:
...The angel was Jesus appearing as a man, but not fully being incarnated at these points in time and only Jesus could make the Father known to mankind.
This lie of BOBO benett concerning Jesus as an angel of God leads once again to the lie that the apostles made about Jesus:
I will cite what was written in “The real Jesus whom God wants the whole world to know
"Let us read what the apostles had written about Jesus and his relation to God’s angels:
So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father "? Or again, "I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”?
Hebrews 1:4-5 NIV
“So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.” – The apostles gave the impression (in the book of Hebrews)that Jesus is a Son of God, who is more superior to God’s angels in heaven. This led humanity into believing that Jesus is a direct and only Son of God and therefore reveres him.
We can read that the apostles (in Hebrews 1:5) used two verses in the Old Testament to make it appear that Jesus is higher than the angels.
One in Psalm 2:7:
"You are my Son; today I have become your Father "?
Psalm 2:7 NIV
And the second is in 2 Samuel. 7:14
I will be his father, and he will be my son…
2 Samuel 7:14 NIV
This only shows that the apostles are citing God’s words in the Old Testament. They made those two separate verses (Psalm 2:7 and 2 Samuel 7:14) to look as if Jesus is a glorified son of God and mightier than God’s angels.
The question is: were those words of God (in the Old Testament), really speak about Jesus being a Son of God more superior to God’s angels?
In 2 Samuel 7:14,God revealed (through the Bible) to His real prophet like Moses(Maestro Evangelista) that the apostles have twisted the truth regarding Jesus."
I'll be diving straight into the objection momentarily. We'll see who is really twisting and abusing the text.
"Let us start with 2 Samuel 7 verse 12
“When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your
offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom.
II Samuel 7:12 (NIV)
The promise given to David - a descendant or an “OFFSPRING” will come from his bloodline.
We can now begin to discover that the Apostles did not write accordingly to what God said. God clearly does not speak about an only begotten Son who is superior to the angels as they wrote in Hebrews 1:5! In the prophecy in 2 Samuel 7:14 God speaks to David through His prophet Nathan about his (David’s) offspring, of his own flesh and blood!
What would be the work of the descendant?
“He is the one who will build a house for my Name,
and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever...”
II Samuel 7:13 (NIV)
The offspring of David will have a special task from God and that is to build a House for His Name and when he is able to accomplish it, God will establish the throne of his (offspring of David) kingdom over Israel forever.
What was the other reward of God?
“I will be his father, and he will be my son. WHEN HE DOES WRONG, I WILL PUNISH HIM WITH A ROD WIELDED BY MEN, WITH FLOGGINGS INFLICTED BY HUMAN HANDS –
II Samuel 7:14 (NIV)
“I will be his father, and he will be my son.” - We can now understand how the apostles have written falsely about God’s word. It is clear that God speaks not of a direct Son as they have written in the book of Hebrews. Rather, it is about an offspring of David (David’s own flesh and blood), whom God shall send to build a house in His Name. When the offspring of David is successful in accomplishing his task, his throne as king will be established over Israel forever. Although he is just a descendant of David, God will reward him with the title “Son of God”
No Christian denies Jesus being the Son of David and that he will come from the house of David. BEING THE SON OF GOD FROM ETERNITY DOESN'T REFUTE HIM BEING THE SON OF DAVID. Erano is STRAW MANNING the incarnation. Jesus has two sonships in the New Testament, a divine sonship and a royal sonship as I have mentioned before in the past. Solomon is adopted as God's son and also has a royal sonship. Also, Christians don't deny that 2 Samuel 7 being applied to Jesus, BUT that doesn't automatically mean that Jesus was a sinner or become a sinner as I have pointed out previously: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html
"The apostles deliberately twisted God’s word regarding Jesus. Let us read 2 Samuel 7:14:
“I will be his father, and he will be my son. WHEN HE DOES WRONG, I WILL PUNISH HIM WITH A ROD WIELDED BY MEN, WITH FLOGGINGS INFLICTED BY HUMAN HANDS – II Samuel 7:14 (NIV)
“WHEN HE DOES WRONG, I WILL PUNISH HIM WITH A ROD WIELDED BY MEN, WITH FLOGGINGS INFLICTED BY HUMAN HANDS” –If he does wrong, the descendant of David would be punished by the floggings of men. This means that the one indicated in 2 Samuel 7:14 whom the apostles claim in Hebrews 1:5 as Jesus was foretold by God HIMSELF that he may commit wrong and thus a mere human and not divine! (God is not a man and therefore cannot commit a wrong as written in Numbers 23:19.)
The apostles only wrote in Hebrews 1:5, the part where God said in 2 Samuel 7:14 which read: “I will be his father, and he will be my son.” They left out the warning “WHEN HE DOES WRONG, I WILL PUNISH HIM WITH A ROD WIELDED BY MEN, WITH FLOGGINGS INFLICTED BY HUMAN HANDS.”God said that the son of David will be flogged by men if he commits wrong. It is clear that the apostles hid the truth why God had forsaken Jesus to die brutally. They are guilty of teaching mankind a false teaching that God sent Jesus to suffer and die for our sins!"
Let me repost what I said about 2 Samuel 7:14, as Lawin isn't getting this into his head:
"Within the text of 2 Samuel 7:12-17, it refers to the coronation of the King Solomon. This is royal sonship. Although Jesus was the Son from eternity, the sonship that is spoken of in Hebrews 1:5-8 is sonship in terms of his coronation, which occurred after his resurrection and sat at the Father's righthand. All three events that I have mentioned are to do with the coronation of the Messianic King. David, Solomon, then the Messiah himself. Solomon is God's son in reference to his coronation, which doesn't refute Christians as Erano claims the passage does."
and
"Within these texts, they refer to the coronation of the Kings Solomon and David. This is royal sonship. Although Jesus was the Son from eternity, the sonship that is spoken of in Hebrews 1:5-8 is sonship in terms of his coronation, which occurred after his resurrection and sat at the Father's righthand. All three events that I have mentioned are to do with the coronation of the Messianic King. David, Solomon, then the Messiah himself. God never calls the angels sons in this sense however he does call Jesus this.
Also in Luke 1: note the following
""30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
This type of sonship requires one to be a descendant of David which Jesus affirms in the book of Revelation. A distinction between the two sonships is obviously there, when you cross referrence the statements given in Psalm 2 and 2 Samuel 7. How does Jesus inherit the name Son if he is already the Son? Because Hebrews is talking about 2 sonships, one royal and the other divine.""
Again, JESUS DYING ON THE CROSS DOESN'T MEAN HE WAS SUFFERING FOR HIS SINS!!!
This I have pointed out OVER AND OVER again and quite frankly, I am not impressed with the answer given.
Erano has NO understanding of Christianity whatsoever. Jesus being fully man, doesn't refute him being fully God or vice versa. He is fully both God and Man and is without sin as the SAME BOOK OF HEBREWS POINTS OUT in Hebrews 4:15.
To see my points on Numbers 23:19, Read this article: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/classical-trinitarian-objections.html
"Now that the apostles are found to have twisted God’s word in 2 Samuel 7:14 to make it appear that Jesus is superior than God’s angels, it also follows that Bennett is wrong in saying that Jesus was the angel of God who appeared to Abraham and in everything he has written about God and Jesus in his blogspot.
Since The apostles whom BOBO consider as the authorities on God’s word about Jesus had now been exposed as liars- what credibility does BOBO have now?
Nothing."
You assume what you have yet to prove and haven't demonstrated my points to be false, but don't worry, more of your arguments shall be addressed if the Lord Wills in another paper.
Answering Judaism.
"Hello again Brothers!
Take a look how deceitful Jake Benett aka BOBO benett of answeringjudaism is in what he had written in:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.com/2014/05/yhwh-returns-response-to-maestro-m_11.html
He said in his explanation about Genesis 32:24-30 is this:
The man who wrestles with Jacob was YHWH God. YHWH appeared as a man and wrestled with Jacob and eventually blesses him. This individual was the angel of the LORD, a divine entity in the TANAKH who appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18 and 19. The angel was Jesus appearing as a man, but not fully being incarnated at these points in time and only Jesus could make the Father known to mankind.
Brothers we can read that BOBO claims that the man whom Jacob wrestled with was God Himself.
Think about it people, God the great God of gods wrestled a man?? Clearly BOBO benett is really BOBO because he wrote a blasphemy against God!
Now why don’t we read what God Himself showed to Maestro Evangelista in the scriptures who Jacob wrestled with.
The fact is this revelation concerning Genesis 32had been revealed many times in the articles in www.thename.ph, had this serpent read all the articles in the website well, he should not have made such a STUPID explanation of Genesis 32:24-30"
Let's see if we actually get a decent response to my arguments.Also, My argument is that God appeared as a man to Jacob but a true incarnation hadn't taken place. It is not blasphemy for YHWH to take on a human appearance or come in the flesh to interact with his people.
I have no idea why Lawin assumes that simply reading every article written by Erano would prove him to be who he says he is.
"We will read the explanation of the prophet like Moses, Teacher Eraño Evangelista:
So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak.
Genesis 32:24 (NIV)
Remember, it is not God who wrestled with Jacob- it is a man.
When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.” But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
Genesis 32:25-26 (NIV)
He overcame or won over the “man.” Jacob would not let go of the man unless he was given its blessing. Jacob knew that the one he wrestled with was a man of God.
The man asked him, “What is your name?” “Jacob,” he answered. Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome. Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.” But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.
Genesis 32:27-29 (NIV)
Jacob was given the name Israel, but he is still asking for the name of the “man. "ISRAEL” - This is the Name that was given to him by the “man”. From here we can understand that the name “Israel” was given to Jacob as a blessing.
So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw
God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
Genesis 32:30 (NIV)
Why did Jacob say that he had seen God when in truth it is only a “man” whom he had wrestled?
The man introduced in the context is YHWH, Jacob blatantly says "It is because I saw
God face to face, and yet my life was spared.". He is BLATANTLY SPEAKING ABOUT YHWH.
"Can God be seen?
But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
Exodus 33:20 (NIV)
If we will see Him, we will die. Therefore it is not God whom Jacob wrestled with. How can we prove that Jacob did not see God?
The LORD has a charge to bring against Judah; he will punish Jacob
according to his ways and repay him according to his deeds. In the womb
he grasped his brother’s heel; as a man he struggled with God.
Hosea 12:2-3 (NIV)
“In the womb he grasped his brother’s heel“-Jacob‘s innate character was described – and that was his PERSISTENCE when he did not let himself be left behind when he grasped his brother’s heel as they were coming out of their mother’s womb.
He struggled with the angel and overcame him; he wept and begged for his favor. He found him at Bethel and talked with him there -
Hosea 12:4 (NIV)
He struggled with THE ANGEL and overcame him; It is now clear, the “man” whom Jacob wrestled with was an “angel of God” and not God Himself.
Why did Jacob gave the Angel of God such respect? What authority does an Angel of God have from God?
“See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.
Exodus 23:20-21 (NIV)
“Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.”- This is why Jacob gave such respect to the angel or man of God as the angel was sent by God to bring His message.
Once again Bobo Benett is exposed. It is not God whom Jacob wrestled with-it is God’s angel, a man"
As Erano has mentioned elsewhere, he admits that the word angel can mean messenger and not usually a divine being or entity. I have written on Genesis 18 and Exodus 24 in my article Contra Blumenthal which can be found here: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/contra-blumenthal-examination-of-contra.html
The appeal to Hosea doesn't help Erano, What angel causes a man to say "I have seen God and yet live". This isn't an ordinary Elohim as in the context of the passages like Exodus 3 where Moses is made God to Pharaoh. Hosea does identify the man as an angel, but this doesn't refute the application that it is YHWH who wrestles with Jacob.
The same Angel who YHWH's name in him in the context of Exodus 23 later in the Judges 2, chastises the people for disobeying HIM:
"2 The angel of the Lord went up from Gilgal to Bokim and said, “I brought you up out of Egypt and led you into the land I swore to give to your ancestors. I said, ‘I will never break my covenant with you, 2 and you shall not make a covenant with the people of this land, but you shall break down their altars.’ Yet you have disobeyed me. Why have you done this? 3 And I have also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; they will become traps for you, and their gods will become snares to you.’ 4 When the angel of the Lord had spoken these things to all the Israelites, the people wept aloud, 5 and they called that place Bokim.[a] There they offered sacrifices to the Lord."
The argument of agency will not deal with this adequately. See my article Contra Blumenthal.
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/contra-blumenthal-examination-of-contra.html
"Now to finish off BOBO and his deception:
Now let us read again what BOBO said concerning Jesus:
...The angel was Jesus appearing as a man, but not fully being incarnated at these points in time and only Jesus could make the Father known to mankind.
This lie of BOBO benett concerning Jesus as an angel of God leads once again to the lie that the apostles made about Jesus:
I will cite what was written in “The real Jesus whom God wants the whole world to know
"Let us read what the apostles had written about Jesus and his relation to God’s angels:
So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father "? Or again, "I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”?
Hebrews 1:4-5 NIV
“So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.” – The apostles gave the impression (in the book of Hebrews)that Jesus is a Son of God, who is more superior to God’s angels in heaven. This led humanity into believing that Jesus is a direct and only Son of God and therefore reveres him.
We can read that the apostles (in Hebrews 1:5) used two verses in the Old Testament to make it appear that Jesus is higher than the angels.
One in Psalm 2:7:
"You are my Son; today I have become your Father "?
Psalm 2:7 NIV
And the second is in 2 Samuel. 7:14
I will be his father, and he will be my son…
2 Samuel 7:14 NIV
This only shows that the apostles are citing God’s words in the Old Testament. They made those two separate verses (Psalm 2:7 and 2 Samuel 7:14) to look as if Jesus is a glorified son of God and mightier than God’s angels.
The question is: were those words of God (in the Old Testament), really speak about Jesus being a Son of God more superior to God’s angels?
In 2 Samuel 7:14,God revealed (through the Bible) to His real prophet like Moses(Maestro Evangelista) that the apostles have twisted the truth regarding Jesus."
I'll be diving straight into the objection momentarily. We'll see who is really twisting and abusing the text.
"Let us start with 2 Samuel 7 verse 12
“When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your
offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom.
II Samuel 7:12 (NIV)
The promise given to David - a descendant or an “OFFSPRING” will come from his bloodline.
We can now begin to discover that the Apostles did not write accordingly to what God said. God clearly does not speak about an only begotten Son who is superior to the angels as they wrote in Hebrews 1:5! In the prophecy in 2 Samuel 7:14 God speaks to David through His prophet Nathan about his (David’s) offspring, of his own flesh and blood!
What would be the work of the descendant?
“He is the one who will build a house for my Name,
and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever...”
II Samuel 7:13 (NIV)
The offspring of David will have a special task from God and that is to build a House for His Name and when he is able to accomplish it, God will establish the throne of his (offspring of David) kingdom over Israel forever.
What was the other reward of God?
“I will be his father, and he will be my son. WHEN HE DOES WRONG, I WILL PUNISH HIM WITH A ROD WIELDED BY MEN, WITH FLOGGINGS INFLICTED BY HUMAN HANDS –
II Samuel 7:14 (NIV)
“I will be his father, and he will be my son.” - We can now understand how the apostles have written falsely about God’s word. It is clear that God speaks not of a direct Son as they have written in the book of Hebrews. Rather, it is about an offspring of David (David’s own flesh and blood), whom God shall send to build a house in His Name. When the offspring of David is successful in accomplishing his task, his throne as king will be established over Israel forever. Although he is just a descendant of David, God will reward him with the title “Son of God”
No Christian denies Jesus being the Son of David and that he will come from the house of David. BEING THE SON OF GOD FROM ETERNITY DOESN'T REFUTE HIM BEING THE SON OF DAVID. Erano is STRAW MANNING the incarnation. Jesus has two sonships in the New Testament, a divine sonship and a royal sonship as I have mentioned before in the past. Solomon is adopted as God's son and also has a royal sonship. Also, Christians don't deny that 2 Samuel 7 being applied to Jesus, BUT that doesn't automatically mean that Jesus was a sinner or become a sinner as I have pointed out previously: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html
"The apostles deliberately twisted God’s word regarding Jesus. Let us read 2 Samuel 7:14:
“I will be his father, and he will be my son. WHEN HE DOES WRONG, I WILL PUNISH HIM WITH A ROD WIELDED BY MEN, WITH FLOGGINGS INFLICTED BY HUMAN HANDS – II Samuel 7:14 (NIV)
“WHEN HE DOES WRONG, I WILL PUNISH HIM WITH A ROD WIELDED BY MEN, WITH FLOGGINGS INFLICTED BY HUMAN HANDS” –If he does wrong, the descendant of David would be punished by the floggings of men. This means that the one indicated in 2 Samuel 7:14 whom the apostles claim in Hebrews 1:5 as Jesus was foretold by God HIMSELF that he may commit wrong and thus a mere human and not divine! (God is not a man and therefore cannot commit a wrong as written in Numbers 23:19.)
The apostles only wrote in Hebrews 1:5, the part where God said in 2 Samuel 7:14 which read: “I will be his father, and he will be my son.” They left out the warning “WHEN HE DOES WRONG, I WILL PUNISH HIM WITH A ROD WIELDED BY MEN, WITH FLOGGINGS INFLICTED BY HUMAN HANDS.”God said that the son of David will be flogged by men if he commits wrong. It is clear that the apostles hid the truth why God had forsaken Jesus to die brutally. They are guilty of teaching mankind a false teaching that God sent Jesus to suffer and die for our sins!"
Let me repost what I said about 2 Samuel 7:14, as Lawin isn't getting this into his head:
"Within the text of 2 Samuel 7:12-17, it refers to the coronation of the King Solomon. This is royal sonship. Although Jesus was the Son from eternity, the sonship that is spoken of in Hebrews 1:5-8 is sonship in terms of his coronation, which occurred after his resurrection and sat at the Father's righthand. All three events that I have mentioned are to do with the coronation of the Messianic King. David, Solomon, then the Messiah himself. Solomon is God's son in reference to his coronation, which doesn't refute Christians as Erano claims the passage does."
and
"Within these texts, they refer to the coronation of the Kings Solomon and David. This is royal sonship. Although Jesus was the Son from eternity, the sonship that is spoken of in Hebrews 1:5-8 is sonship in terms of his coronation, which occurred after his resurrection and sat at the Father's righthand. All three events that I have mentioned are to do with the coronation of the Messianic King. David, Solomon, then the Messiah himself. God never calls the angels sons in this sense however he does call Jesus this.
Also in Luke 1: note the following
""30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
This type of sonship requires one to be a descendant of David which Jesus affirms in the book of Revelation. A distinction between the two sonships is obviously there, when you cross referrence the statements given in Psalm 2 and 2 Samuel 7. How does Jesus inherit the name Son if he is already the Son? Because Hebrews is talking about 2 sonships, one royal and the other divine.""
Again, JESUS DYING ON THE CROSS DOESN'T MEAN HE WAS SUFFERING FOR HIS SINS!!!
This I have pointed out OVER AND OVER again and quite frankly, I am not impressed with the answer given.
Erano has NO understanding of Christianity whatsoever. Jesus being fully man, doesn't refute him being fully God or vice versa. He is fully both God and Man and is without sin as the SAME BOOK OF HEBREWS POINTS OUT in Hebrews 4:15.
To see my points on Numbers 23:19, Read this article: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/classical-trinitarian-objections.html
"Now that the apostles are found to have twisted God’s word in 2 Samuel 7:14 to make it appear that Jesus is superior than God’s angels, it also follows that Bennett is wrong in saying that Jesus was the angel of God who appeared to Abraham and in everything he has written about God and Jesus in his blogspot.
Since The apostles whom BOBO consider as the authorities on God’s word about Jesus had now been exposed as liars- what credibility does BOBO have now?
Nothing."
You assume what you have yet to prove and haven't demonstrated my points to be false, but don't worry, more of your arguments shall be addressed if the Lord Wills in another paper.
Answering Judaism.
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