Friday, 1 January 2016

The Elohim Conspiracy? A response to olkee-1

olkee is known on Paltalk by a number of individuals. He is a member of the House of Yahweh cult, here is what they teach in this link:

But we are not here to talk about his group, that if the Lord Wills will be saved for another time. 

I was in Christian Prince's room on the 30th of December 2015. (a very rare thing I do) and he came in and contended with Prince on what Allah meant, whether it was a title or a name. olkee then if my memory serves me correctly went on to say that Elohim was a term that was inserted by the Jews and that the word Elohim is used of false gods, therefore it cannot be used of YHWH.

This is a lie. The word Elohim is like the English word God, its a term that can be used in many different contexts.

Depending on the context, Elohim can be used of YHWH, false gods, angels, powerful men etc depending on context. Moses is made Elohim or God unto pharaoh, does that mean Moses is a demon? No.

Here is how Elohim is used in that context of Exodus 7: 
"7 And the Lord said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet." Look at the following from bible.hub:

Westminster Leningrad Codex: אֱלֹהִ֖ים
Westminster Leningrad Codex: אלהים

It is already worth looking at this link:
(Sam Shamoun shared the link in the room, Thanks Sam.)

I want olkee to provide evidence of where the Jews corrupted the Torah and Jeremiah 8:8 has nothing to do with corrupting the text. The context is actually talking MISINTERPRETING THE TEXT, not re-writing it. 

Sam Shamoun notes the following on Jeremiah 8:8:
"Muslims often appeal to Jeremiah 8:8 as proof that the Torah has been corrupted:
"How can you say, ‘We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,’ when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?" Jeremiah 8:8
Several comments are in order. First, even if this passage were speaking about an actual corruption of the text, this would only be referring to the copies that were in the possession of the scribes. It wouldn’t refer to all the copies that were in the hands of others such as Daniel the prophet. More on this later. Secondly, Jeremiah was a prophet of God, which means that he was receiving revelation from God. As such, Jeremiah would have been quite capable of restoring the Torah to its true pristine form at the direct orders of God, and hence nothing of the Torah could be corrupted! In fact, something similar happened with Jeremiah’s own revelation:
"In the fourth year of Jehoiakim son of Josiah king of Judah, this word came to Jeremiah from the Lord: ‘Take a scroll and write on it all the words I have spoken to you concerning Israel, Judah and all the other nations from the time I began speaking to you in the reign of Josiah till now. Perhaps when the people of Judah hear about every disaster I plan to inflict on them, each of them will turn from his wicked way; then I will forgive their wickedness and their sin.’ So Jeremiah called Baruch son of Neriah, and while Jeremiah dictated all the words the Lord had spoken to him, Baruch wrote them on the scroll. Then Jeremiah told Baruch, ‘I am restricted; I cannot go to the Lord 's temple. So you go to the house of the Lord on a day of fasting and read to the people from the scroll the words of the Lord that you wrote as I dictated. Read them to all the people of Judah who come in from their towns. Perhaps they will bring their petition before the Lord, and each will turn from his wicked ways, for the anger and wrath pronounced against this people by the Lord are great’ ... After they put the scroll in the room of Elishama the secretary, they went to the king in the courtyard and reported everything to him. The king sent Jehudi to get the scroll, and Jehudi brought it from the room of Elishama the secretary and read it to the king and all the officials standing beside him. It was the ninth month and the king was sitting in the winter apartment, with a fire burning in the firepot in front of him. Whenever Jehudi had read three or four columns of the scroll, the king cut them off with a scribe's knife and threw them into the firepot, until the entire scroll was burned in the fire. The king and all his attendants who heard all these words showed no fear, nor did they tear their clothes. Even though Elnathan, Delaiah and Gemariah urged the king not to burn the scroll, he would not listen to them. Instead, the king commanded Jerahmeel, a son of the king, Seraiah son of Azriel and Shelemiah son of Abdeel to arrest Baruch the scribe and Jeremiah the prophet. But the LORD had hidden them. After the king burned the scroll containing the words that Baruch had written at Jeremiah's dictation, the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah: ‘Take another scroll and write on it all the words that were on the first scroll, which Jehoiakim king of Judah burned up. Also tell Jehoiakim king of Judah, ‘This is what the Lord says: You burned that scroll and said, "Why did you write on it that the king of Babylon would certainly come and destroy this land and cut off both men and animals from it?" Therefore, this is what the Lord says about Jehoiakim king of Judah: He will have no one to sit on the throne of David; his body will be thrown out and exposed to the heat by day and the frost by night. I will punish him and his children and his attendants for their wickedness; I will bring on them and those living in Jerusalem and the people of Judah every disaster I pronounced against them, because they have not listened.’ So Jeremiah took another scroll and gave it to the scribe Baruch son of Neriah, and as Jeremiah dictated, Baruch wrote on it all the words of the scroll that Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire. And many similar words were added to them." Jeremiah 36: 1-7, 20-32, 27-32
If God was capable of restoring the revelation given to Jeremiah after it had been destroyed, then the same God would also have been capable of restoring the original Torah and have his prophets record it! There was, however, no such corruption in the first place."

Hence, olkee is in no position to claim what he claimed.

Speaking of Sam Shamoun, Shamoun himself pointed out that olkee's claims were false and even pointed out it was a THEORY, not fact. In fact, the theory in question is what is known as the JEPD theory:

If olkee is proclaiming this, then he is calling Jesus and others liars because they themselves said Moses wrote it.

I would challenge olkee to back up his claims and not to make them without significant evidence.

Answering Judaism.

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