There was a video back in July of 2013 highlighting the pros and cons of Messianic Judaism which can be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7ww6OLzFE8
Here are NITEMARES DEN'S comments:
However what this deceitful person does not tell you is that millions of Jews have said that his dead god is false. Lets look at the hypocrisy if I were to tell this lying xtian that christians do not believe in the trinity he will tell me those are only a few and the vast majority do believe in the trinity. Yet when it comes to their dead god we should follow a handful of drunks.
Err... The opinion of millions of Jews wasn't relevant to this video. I am talking about pros and cons about Messianic Jews. I am not talking about whether the majority believe or don't believe in something, that is not my point in the video. So what you have said is false.
My argument is NOT we shouldn't believe the minority or majority. You missed the entire point of my video.
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Err... The opinion of millions of Jews wasn't relevant to this video. I am talking about pros and cons about Messianic Jews. I am not talking about whether the majority believe or don't believe in something, that is not my point in the video. So what you have said is false.
My argument is NOT we shouldn't believe the minority or majority. You missed the entire point of my video.
My response
Listen to your opening statement it says getting the xtian god back to the Jewish roots is commendable. Also further on it says the Jewishnes of the xtian god and its roots. Nothing Jewish about him or his followers I was commenting on that there is no Jewish roots in Christianity.
If as your book claims that the Pharisees accused him of making himself to be a god and wanted him stoned how can the xtian god or his followers who worshiped him as a god be of any Jewish root.
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+NITEMARES DEN "Listen to your opening statement it says getting the xtian god back to the Jewish roots is commendable. Also further on it says the Jewishnes of the xtian god and its roots. Nothing Jewish about him or his followers I was commenting on that there is no Jewish roots in Christianity.
If as your book claims that the Pharisees accused him of making himself to be a god and wanted him stoned how can the xtian god or his followers who worshiped him as a god be of any Jewish root."
Getting Christianity back to Jewish roots doesn't mean getting back to Rabbinic Judaism.
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+NITEMARES DEN Furthermore, there are studies that have been conducted and debates as to whether or not the NT has Jewish roots. I would need to look into more if the Lord wills.
NITEMARES DEN missed the points that I was making in my video, my point was NOT following the Majority in anything or talking about x number of Jews say this let's listen to them.
I NEVER use the argument that "the majority say this" or "the majority say that", That never was my point.
My whole point was to point out the flaws in Messianic Judaism, but also point out the good fruits in it, namely the biblically solid teachers who have had a positive influence, NOT the false teachers who encourage poisonous error.
Returning to the Jewish roots doesn't mean returning to Rabbinic Judaism of today, that is not what I was saying, hence I am not deceiving my audience with what I was saying.
For those unaware, NITEMARES DEN is a Jewish fellow who has made responses to Nakdimon and Michael Brown. He has engaged in a recorded dialogue with me which only he and DACON9 possess a copy of and I need to get a hold of it.
That's all for now in this paper.
Answering Judaism.
WE LEFT OFF THAT I SAID YOU WILL NOT GET A COPY AS LONG AS YOU MISINTERPRET THE MEANING OF ECHAD.
ReplyDeleteyou xtian warrior said you listen to various antimissionary raabis on youtube
such as the preeminant RABBI TOVIA. and after his refutations along with other rabbincal scholars and you still believe iin your deadmangod who he is a violation of everything holy...
as we chatted over the internet where you accused rabbi Tovia of admitting that echad means plural or more then one.
I then asked you and you also offered to listen again to Rabbi Tovia to prove that the rabbi said that.
It was in your court to play out the ball game.
Then you contacted me via 'pm' asking for the recording
and I told you that as long as you didnt research after 2 weeks now, research where you can show me that 'echad' in hebrew LANGAUGE not the xtian version
THAT SHEMA YISRAEL ECHAD MEANS MORE THEN ONE,
AND YOU DIDNT SHOW ME WHERE RABBI TOVIA said it means plural in SHEMA...I THEN REFUSE TO PASS ALONG THE RECORDING OF YOU AND PETE WHERE YOU WILL DESECRATE ANYTHING HOLY THAT PETE TOLD YOU. I gave you at first 20 minutes of the recording thining that you are honest and intelligent YOU ARE NEITHER
and you didnt learn a thing from 3 hours with me. I PROVED I KNOCKED DOWN ALL YOUR TWISTS AND TURNS ***PROVING TORAH IS PERFECT
AND YOU TWIST AND TURN AND ONLY WANT THE RECORDINGD TO EXTRACT PETES WORDS RATHER THEN LEARN FROM HIS WORDS.
You admitted that you want to pull out and not absorb the new information. You admitted that you are on output not input.
You dont want to learn. You are not honest.
ISRAEL IS T HE LIGHT TO THE NATIONS,
you want to bring ISRAEL INTO YOUR darkness.
You just want to hear what you can steal, extract, take out of context to prove an error the JEWS are wrong through subterfuge and not examine the entirety of the mattter and therefore...i told you that you failed in your words to me,
you failed in your honesty to 'ONE G-D' in discussing with me 3 hours and pete 3.2 hours I saw no reason to support your sickness.
As I told you. I WOULD TEAR YOU APART AGAIN IN EVERY POINT.
YOUR RELIGION YOUR JEUSX IS A SICKNESS. YOU HAVE NOTHING AT ALL WITHOUT INSULTING JUDAISM.MEANING, to prop up xtianinity you have to insult Judaism.That day I countered everyone of your arguments stronger simpler and more direct then you can expect from anyone.
YOU ENDED THAT SESSION WITH ME SAYING THAT
" YOU SHOULD HAVE PREPARED BETTER"
"NEXT TIME I WILL BE BETTER PREPARED"
You cannot prepare against the ONE G-D OF ISRAEL WITH LIES.
You can win a point because you had the information at hand
BUT THAT DOESNT WIN THE RELIGION FROM THE 'ONE G-D OF ISRAEL'
BASICALLY I STATE...YOU AS ALL XTIANS ARE, EVIL WORK OF THE SATAN AND ALSO CALLED THE YETZER HARA.
BOTH ARE TESTS FROM THE G-D O F ISRAEL TO THE JEW TO ELEVATE HIM TO A HIGHER SPIRITUAL REALM.
XTIANS CANNOT ATTAIN THAT LEVEL
well if they listen to the LIGHT UNTO THE NATIONS WHO IS THE JEW
YOU MIGHT RISE IN SPIRITUAL VALUE.
THERE HAVE BEEN RIGHTOUS XTIANS
I THINK AS OF NOW YOU ARE A RIGHTOUS DONKEY
FOR PLAYING A GAME
YOU THINK YOU TOOK THE higher ground in your last comment of who has any recordings.
EVEN THE XTIANS LAUGHED AT YOU .
I went back to Tovia Singer's point. He does tell his audience that one and echad can function as plurals, but in a given context.
DeleteHe is repudiating the idea that its plural in the context of the Shema. I did not misrepresent what Rabbi Singer said.
If I wasn't willing to learn, I would be continually ignorant of Judaism.
There I'd already an article on my website where I comment on Echad.
PS. Even if I had access to the entire recording, even if there would be rabbinic Jews listening to the recording, they would comment on me just as much as they would on Pete and guess what, they would bring me new points I can learn from. I don't have all the answers and needing to look into certain issues is required. Either I give one a good response or a lazy one and I'd rather have the former.
DeleteDon't accuse me of not willing to learn. If it wasn't for any Jews pointing out misrepresentations of their faith, I would be ignorant.
What is it to you if I wanted the recording up on YouTube?
Furthermore, your points in our three hour discussion noted and addressed here:http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/points-of-interest-about-jesus-christ.html?m=1
What is so wrong with addressing your points?
Also, hasn't it occurred to you to question the traditions of your Rabbis? Namely the Oral Torah?
DeleteSorry for the late reply.