Thursday 17 March 2016

Amos 3:7: Does it refute Jesus?

I had a Jew on Paltalk known as Hamoreh contact me recently and a brief conversation ensured, it was very brief but I want to address one verse he brought which would apparently refute the fundamentals of Christianity. let's look at the verse in question.

"7 Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing
    without revealing his plan
    to his servants the prophets."

Let us take a look at the fuller context:

"3 Hear this word, people of Israel, the word the Lord has spoken against you—against the whole family I brought up out of Egypt:

2 “You only have I chosen
    of all the families of the earth;
therefore I will punish you
    for all your sins.”
3 Do two walk together
    unless they have agreed to do so?
4 Does a lion roar in the thicket
    when it has no prey?
Does it growl in its den
    when it has caught nothing?
5 Does a bird swoop down to a trap on the ground
    when no bait is there?
Does a trap spring up from the ground
    if it has not caught anything?
6 When a trumpet sounds in a city,
    do not the people tremble?
When disaster comes to a city,
    has not the Lord caused it?
7 Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing
    without revealing his plan
    to his servants the prophets.
8 The lion has roared—
    who will not fear?
The Sovereign Lord has spoken—
    who can but prophesy?
9 Proclaim to the fortresses of Ashdod
    and to the fortresses of Egypt:
“Assemble yourselves on the mountains of Samaria;
    see the great unrest within her
    and the oppression among her people.”
10 “They do not know how to do right,” declares the Lord,
    “who store up in their fortresses
    what they have plundered and looted.”
11 Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says:

“An enemy will overrun your land,
    pull down your strongholds
    and plunder your fortresses.”
12 This is what the Lord says:

“As a shepherd rescues from the lion’s mouth
    only two leg bones or a piece of an ear,
so will the Israelites living in Samaria be rescued,
    with only the head of a bed
    and a piece of fabric[a] from a couch.[b]”
13 “Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob,” declares the Lord, the Lord God Almighty.

14 “On the day I punish Israel for her sins,
    I will destroy the altars of Bethel;
the horns of the altar will be cut off
    and fall to the ground.
15 I will tear down the winter house
    along with the summer house;
the houses adorned with ivory will be destroyed
    and the mansions will be demolished,”
declares the Lord."

The text in question is not a refutation of Christianity. The text is simply affirming what it says. Whether it be explicit or implicit, God makes his plans known to the prophets. The people of Israel were listening to false prophets and worshiping idols, hearing things from the false prophets that God had not said or ordained. The Israelites had not heeded the word of the LORD, hence they were going to be subject to judgement for their sins and wickedness.

My question to Hamoreh is this if he is reading, How does verse 7 alone refute Christianity and it's fundamental tenets?

Deuteronomy 13 doesn't refute Jesus:

The Mt Sinai revelation doesn't refute him either:

Not to mention there is plenty of evidence to show that Jesus is the Messiah and predicted in the Old Testament:

So how and what way does Amos 3:7 refute Jesus? That is my question to you.

Answering Judaism.

1 comment:

  1. Your entire "response" is based on a lie. I never said anything about "refuting" your idol-man, and in fact I never used the word "refute" at all. In any case, a person can't be "refuted", one can only "refute" a CLAIM. What I actually said was "there is one verse in Amoss that exposes the fundamental tenets of christianity as lies".

    Amoss 3:7 does exactly this, because -- at last in the HEBREW text -- God never told even one of "His servants, the n'viyim" anything

    1) about "coming in human form", or
    2) about "sending His son", or
    3) even that He HAS a "son", or
    4) about that son "dying for everyone else's sins"

    etc etc etc; christian TRANSLATIONS may seem to say those kind of things, but that's only because the translators REWROTE many passages of the Hebrew Bible when they were "translating" it and made many significant changes to what they say, instead of just reproducing exactly what the Hebrew text says. Those christians who don't know any Hebrew (which is 99.999% of all christians), who read and are deceived by such passages, are not entirely to blame -- but they certainly are to blame for the "stiff-necked", arrogant attitude they invariably adopt whenever anybody who DOES speak Hebrew tries to tell them how they have been (and are still being) duped.

    By the way, per D'varim 24:16, "EVERY MAN IS RESPONDSIBLE FOR HIS *OWN* ERRORS" and NOBODY can "die for" another person's wrongdoings.

    Binyamin ben-Tziyyon
    ("Hamoreh" is a Hebrew word: don't you even know what it means? Here is a hint: it comes from the same root as "Torah", but that won't help you much if you have been misled into believing that Torah means a "law".)