More arguments to address, I have finally seen an actual rebuttal to my writings, so here is my response to the claims of Angel Lawin, one of the Eranoites I have responded to in the past. Edits of removing my name from Lawin's quotations has been conducted.
"Friends let us make a punching bag out of this BOBO’s comments in his article in his answering judaism blogspot
He always uses this article to avoid being trampled again by God ‘s word in 2 Samuel 7:14"
No I use the article because it already addresses the objection against 2 Samuel 7:14, you just simply keep repeating the argument and won't respond to it.
"He said:
‘A fellow on Facebook gave me a link by a self-proclaimed prophet on how man kind supposedly was deceived about God. This article intends to expose an article this snake of Satan (Erano) has written and I hope that this equips you against scum like this man.’
Yes folks, that is me who shared that article to him:
he continues:
‘Jesus and of course Moses warn us about false prophets who will come to lead us astray. Also, any Tom, Dick and Harry in this modern age can claim to be a prophet like Moses and it is Erano's burden of proof to show he is a prophet like Moses, thus we need to listen to him. But considering he is not even Jewish or even a convert like Elijah, we can safely assume that this man is just a crazy individual.’
What he speaks here is about what Maestro Evangelista had proven about himself as the said prophet like Moses who was mentioned by God in Deut.18:18-19
Now BOBO said that Maestro Evangelista has not proved himself as the said prophet- the one whose mouth God will put His words and will send to speak in His name. Saying such words only show he had not understood what he had read in all the articles in the website <a>www.thename.ph</a>, he did not understand that THOSE REVELATIONS, THOSE FLOW OF VERSES WHICH MAESTRO HAD NOT RESEARCHED ABOUT IN MAKING KNOWN THE GREAT NAME OF GOD ARE PROOF THAT HE IS THE PROPHET LIKE MOSES AS IT GOD WHO HAD PUT HIS WORDS IN MAESTRO EVANGELISTA’s mouth and had sent to speak in His Name.
The burden of proof is on bobo now to prove that it is God who taught him on what he speaks about God"
Once again, the burden is on Erano, not me, considering I have never claimed to be a prophet, let alone the one in Deuteronomy 18:18. I am a Gentile and not Jewish so immediately I am not in the prophetic line of Israel in Deuteronomy 18. The more I read Erano's website, the more I am flabbergasted at his misuse and abuse of the text of the scriptures. Only someone who doesn't know the scriptures, be they Jew or Christian who would be taken in by the nonsense that Erano is espousing. Erano is the one on which the burden rests, since he claims to be the prophet of Deuteronomy 18 or the ultimate fulfilment of such passage. Thus my points which Lawin quotes still stand.
"Let us destroy him piece per piece:
Let us read his futile expose:
He writes:
"The first argument he tries to employ is accuse the apostles of proclaiming falsehood. He states that since Paul said if there is no resurrection, then he and other disciples are false witnesses and appeals to Job 14:7-12 and 1 Corinthians 15:13-20 to try and refute the apostles who were proclaiming the resurrection of the dead.
Firstly, Let's read Job 14:7-12
14 “Mortals, born of woman,
are of few days and full of trouble.
2 They spring up like flowers and wither away;
like fleeting shadows, they do not endure.
3 Do you fix your eye on them?
Will you bring them[a] before you for judgment?
4 Who can bring what is pure from the impure?
No one!
5 A person’s days are determined;
you have decreed the number of his months
and have set limits he cannot exceed.
6 So look away from him and let him alone,
till he has put in his time like a hired laborer.
7 “At least there is hope for a tree:
If it is cut down, it will sprout again,
and its new shoots will not fail.
8 Its roots may grow old in the ground
and its stump die in the soil,
9 yet at the scent of water it will bud
and put forth shoots like a plant.
10 But a man dies and is laid low;
he breathes his last and is no more.
11 As the water of a lake dries up
or a riverbed becomes parched and dry,
12 so he lies down and does not rise;
till the heavens are no more, people will not awake
or be roused from their sleep."
Firstly, This appeal to Job is fallacious. In the Old Testament, there isn't a clear understanding of the afterlife. Jesus was the one to reveal life and immortality to light through the gospel. Job is speaking in a context where he was not aware of heaven, hell or an afterlife. Is there a contradiction? no, It's simply reading out of context and refusing to harmonize the texts of scripture."
Here Bobo insists that there is an afterlife and that the prophets of God HAD NO IDEA ABOUT AN AFTERLIFE –implying that the prophets were denied by God knowledge about a life after death situation..... Friends, He said that God's servant Job has no clear understanding about an “afterlife”
Lawin assumes that Job was given full knowledge of life after death, which he also assumes with Adam and Eve later on in his paper. Not every single piece of information about the afterlife was revealed to one person, but to several overtime, for example Daniel in his book in Chapter 12, it speaks on a resurrection of the dead to which the good rise to life whereas the evil rise to everlasting contempt. No prophet was given the entire story of the resurrection of the dead and the afterlife, it was something revealed as more of the TANAKH was written by inspiration of the Holy Spirit of YHWH. Furthermore, the righteous dead in the TANAKH went down to Sheol, the place of the dead and would remain there until Jesus came to take them to heaven. The evil doers were left in Sheol to await judgement.
"First let us read why Job has no understanding about an afterlife- Job 14:7-12 NIV
7 “At least there is hope for a tree:
If it is cut down, it will sprout again,
and its new shoots will not fail.
8 Its roots may grow old in the ground
and its stump die in the soil,
9 yet at the scent of water it will bud
and put forth shoots like a plant.
In these verses, Job used an example of how a tree comes back to life, the mere fact that Job uses such an example only show he is speaking about a reality that man should understand- what is this reality?
10 But a man dies and is laid low;
he breathes his last and is no more.
11 As the water of a lake dries up
or a riverbed becomes parched and dry,
12 so he lies down and does not rise;
till the heavens are no more, people will not awake
or be roused from their sleep."
We can read here why Job has no clear understanding of an afterlife- nor was aware of it BECAUSE THERE IS NONE to begin with. The very word of Job that “ till the heavens are no more, people will not awake or be roused from their sleep." only means man will never rise up again from the dead.
Who is Job to God?
The word of the LORD came to me: "Son of man, if a country sins against me by being unfaithful and I stretch out my hand against it to cut off its food supply and send famine upon it and kill its men and their animals, even if these three men—Noah, Daniel and Job—were in it, they could save only themselves by their righteousness, declares the Sovereign LORD.
Ezekiel 14:12-14 (NIV)
In this prophecy by the prophet Ezekiel, God said that Job is one of His righteous men, therefore a man who has true knowledge about God, so for Bobo to say that Job has no clear understanding about God’s word is an insult to God’s servant Job."
Being righteous doesn't mean that you would know and understand everything, that's a non-sequitor. Just because Job, Noah and Daniel were righteous men, that doesn't automatically mean that they had full knowledge of the life beyond. It is not an insult to say that someone doesn't have a clear understanding if they haven't been given that understanding.
Furthermore an additional note I forgot to mention, is Job himself actually was convinced that after his death, he would see God face to face, hinting at a resurrection:
Job 19:23 “Oh, that my words were recorded,
that they were written on a scroll,
24 that they were inscribed with an iron tool on[b] lead,
or engraved in rock forever!
25 I know that my redeemer[c] lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.[d]
26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
yet[e] in[f] my flesh I will see God;
27 I myself will see him
with my own eyes—I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!
28 “If you say, ‘How we will hound him,
since the root of the trouble lies in him,[g]’
29 you should fear the sword yourselves;
for wrath will bring punishment by the sword,
and then you will know that there is judgment.[h]”
Perhaps Lawin or Erano could explain this?
"BoBO did not see the truth in what God’s servant Job has said that there is no resurrection of the dead.
Job even said : “12 so he lies down and does not rise;
till the heavens are no more, people will not awake
or be roused from their sleep."
Job 14:12-
With such words Job truly affirms that man will not be raised again from the dead yet read what BOBO said
” Job is speaking in a context where he was not aware of heaven, hell or an afterlife. "
We can clearly see how BOBO is really BOBO because how can Job speak out of context in those words when we can read crystal clear that Job’s words is a clear affirmation that there is no afterlife?
Read what Job said “ till the heavens are no more, people will not awake
or be roused from their sleep."- EVEN IF THE HEAVENS ARE NO MORE, man will never be raised again from the dead-
Those words of Job were an affirmation that there is NO second life in heaven as the apostles preach."
Again, you assume that Job wasn't aware of an afterlife generally? based on his own limited knowledge? He is making a general statement there. You cannot assume Job had full knowledge just because he was a righteous man.
"How do we know that Job is right that there is no afterlife?
9 Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun—all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun. 10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead,where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.
Ecclesiastes 9:9-10
Here King Solomon implies that there is no life after death event as he gives us a wise word that for as long as we live, let us live the best of our lives for there is no work, wisdom anymore after we die. If there is no wisdom nor working in heaven after we die, then it only means that there is no life after death.
How do we know that ever since from the beginning, God never spoke about a life in heaven after we die?
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Genesis 2:16-17
God said to Adam that when he commits disobedience to His command, he (adam ) will die - God never said that once Adam sins he will go to hell after he dies. This is because there is NO HELL, NO AFTERLIFE IN HEAVEN TO BEGIN WITH.
In his insistence of an afterlife when we die he has now made himself a false prophet because he prophesied of a coming life in heaven once we worship the man forsaken by God!"
Lawin is arguing from silence, again, Adam and Eve themselves didn't have full knowledge of the afterlife, mainly because God had not revealed such to them.... yet. Also, Like Ecclesiastes 3, Solomon was focused on his present life and not on eternal life, not to mention he was not aware of the resurrection of the dead. Even Rabbinic Jews today, despite their denial of Christ, hold to a resurrection of the dead and believe the Messiah will come and usher in universal harmony. It is clear that the passage in Ecclesiastes would not refute Jews or Christians on the existence of an afterlife, considering Solomon was writing in a time where the resurrection was unknown to them.
"Let us read the Psalms if there is an afterlife :
16 The highest heavens belong to the Lord,
but the earth he has given to mankind.
17 It is not the dead who praise the Lord,
those who go down to the place of silence;
18 it is we who extol the Lord,
both now and forevermore.
Psalm 116:16-18 NIV
It is not the dead who praise the Lord,
those who go down to the place of silence;-- There is no afterlife as BOBO have said."
The Psalm is actually Psalm 115 but that's a typo we can all make that mistake. The context isn't denying that there is an afterlife. Like I said before, those who died in the TANAKH went to Sheol. It wasn't until Jesus came that the dead saints were ushered into heaven. It is also speaking on what God has given to us as an earthly inheritance, namely the earth.
"What is this Heaven you deceive humanity about BOBO?
The promise of a New heavens and New Earth?
Read if that New heavens and new Earth is that afterlife you speak about:
17 “See, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
Isaiah 65:17
This new heavens and new earth is what idiots like you, use to deceive humanity that there is an afterlife
Now how do we know that this life in the New heavens and New Earth is not attained after we die? Let us read the next few verses:
21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;
my chosen ones will long enjoy
the work of their hands.
Isaiah 65:21-22 NIV
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.- If this New heavens and New Earth is what you preach that people may attain in the afterlife once they worship Jesus then why is it that people will plant and eat their fruit? You mean that in the afterlife in Heaven people there will be still farmers?
God even said: “For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;” – This implies that God promised here of a coming era where people live longer healthier and happier lives here on earth. God HIMSELF confirms that there is no afterlife in hell nor in heaven.
Also reading again Isaiah 65:21
21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
BOBO, You mean that in the heaven you preach after people die, they will still build houses on heaven?
You mean that in the heaven you preach after people die, they will still plant vineyards there?
Once again, you are now found as the real snake"
Where's the problem with farming occuring in heaven? Adam himself tended to fruit and vegetables in a perfect world in Eden, so why wouldn't there be agriculture in heaven? The same with constructing houses. The earth is going to be restored to the way God intended it, along with having the human race worshipping him for all eternity. Heaven is not going to be a Sunday service singing a chorus umpteen times, there will be other things to do in the presence of the Lord. Even Isaiah 11, a messianic passage, speaks on man "beating his sword into plowshares and his spears into pruning hooks", which would entail a certain usage in heaven. We wouldn't need food to survive in heaven, but certainly meals may be conducted to glorify him.
"God even said: “For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;” – This implies that God promised here of a coming era where people live longer healthier and happier lives here on earth. God HIMSELF confirms that there is NO afterlife in hell nor in heaven and thus the apostles lied in promising humanity.
These truly prove that the contradictions the apostles made in the scriptures which are exposed to us in the article: “How the apostles deceived humanity about God and jesus” is really true
(Insert Link here).
It is clear you are deceiving humanity more than the apostles"
The passage not only has a future application, but also refers to a restoration of Israel in the present time. Also, Daniel whom I mentioned earlier, has revealed to him the resurrection of the dead along with those rising to eternal life and those to eternal contempt. And God was the one who sent an angel to reveal this to Daniel. So God actually confirms my point, not Erano's or Lawin's: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+12&version=NIV
"I cannot imagine how you can still speak such lies when the time comes that people around you be awakened from the lies of the religions because of this revelations of maestro Evangelista.
With all the lies you have made in your blog about God when you are not sent by Him to interpret His words- you have committed a greater offense against humankind for your insistence of a heaven in the afterlife when God promised none.
The humiliation that you will suffer from the people on that "day"will be unimaginable
Do not tell me God has no clear understanding of what He said through the writings of prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 65:17-25 just like what you said against His servant Job
More to come. don’t you worry BOBO
By the way, here is the article you made that will make you one day be humiliated by the people: http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/how-erano-evangelista-deceived-humanity.html"
I never said God has no clear understanding of what he said about Isaiah, you are reading something into my articles which is simply not there.
You still haven't proved that Erano is a prophet, nor has Erano proved his claims and my points against your prophet stand.
But still, thanks for linking to my material so that your prophet will be exposed, much appreciated.
Answering Judaism.
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