Monday, 6 October 2014

Echad: What does the Singer say?

I have been accused of misrepresenting the words of Rabbi Tovia Singer of Outreach Judaism with respect to the word Echad.

To make it clear, I accept the premise that the Shema refers to a singular usage of Echad, but make it clear that this doesn't refute the Trinity, as that isn't the goal of the Shema.

You can jump up and down and shout "God is an absolute one" but again, it misses the point of the Shema completely.

Read the following articles:
Regardless of the Shema using Echad as singular or Yachid, this would not disprove nor prove the Trinity, as that is not the goal of the Shema. It's a point missed by Trintarian and Anti-Trinitarian alike.
Now to move onto the accusation, I have had the oppotunity of listening to a lecture by Tovia Singer on the Trinity and I have made the point in the past that Tovia admits Echad can be used in a plural context but refutes the idea the Shema uses Echad in a plural.
I have been accused by DACON9 on Paltalk for misrepresenting the words of Singer and for all to see, in his OWN WORDS, what Singer said and that I have NOT misrepresented him:
"The word echad in the Hebrew language functions in precisely the same manner as the word “one” does in the English language. In the English language it can be said, “these four chairs and the table make up one dinette set,” or alternatively, “There is one penny in my hand.” Using these two examples, it is easy to see how the English word “one” can mean either many things in one, as in the case of the dinette set, or one alone, as in the case of the penny. Although the Hebrew word echad functions in the exact same manner, evangelical Christians will never offer biblical examples where the word echad means “one alone.” Thus, by only presenting Scriptural verses such as Genesis 1:5 and Numbers 23:13, it creates the illusion to the novice that the word echad is somehow synonymous with a compound unity. Nothing, of course, could be further from the truth." http://outreachjudaism.org/trinity-shema-prayer/

Singer offers examples of singular echad usage in his own paper and makes goes on to say the following:

"In the above verses the exact same Hebrew wordאֶחָד is used, and clearly the word (echad) is referring to one alone, not a “compound unity.” There is a question that immediately comes to mind:If the Hebrew word אֶחָד (echad) can signify either a compound unity or one alone, how can one tell which definition is operative when studying a verse?
The answer lies in the context, which is always determinative. In the exact same way the word “one” is understood in the English language, that is, from the context. “Four chairs and a table make up one dinette set” is a compound unity, and “Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one” is unsullied monotheism."

Singer makes it clear that Echad being plural or singular is defined by context, something which I made the point he said this in the first place, it is NOT a newsflash.

I have even posted a link to Singer's own lecture and he says something similiar to what he says in his paper.

"Is The Trinity Biblical?": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Joz6vKSh1o.

Watch from 15:56-23:40. Singer later claims that the arguments used by Christians are used by Pagans also but to be very honest, Pagan Polytheism and Biblical Monotheistic Trinitarianism are NOT the same thing and any claims they are the same thing are a strawman of Trinitarian belief.

I NEVER CLAIMED that Tovia said the Shema was plural, I said he admits ECHAD can be plural based on the context and refutes the idea it is plural IN the Shema.

There is no misrepresentation my my end.

I also NEVER said that Tovia Singer refuted himself, my whole point is that in his article though he admits Echad can be plural, it is NOT in the context of the Shema.

Answering Judaism.

Addendum: For DACON9's own double standards being exposed, read here:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/dacon9s-double-standards.html

Sunday, 28 September 2014

Clearing the air: XM Flash's objections

"Who would've thought that the religion of Jesus would have things in common with the early Christian faith. Gee. If you wish to anachronistically deny the historical period of Judaism and what Pharisaic Jews of the first century believed then be my guest, I'll on the other hand look at the historical context and do proper exegesis. Quite honestly I don't understand your views since they're all over the place. First, one shouldn't look towards Judaism? The religion that most of the Bible is based upon? Rather, we should just make our inferences from scripture alone? That is craziness, we wouldn't even be able to discern the basics (Like a Monotheistic Deity in the Torah) without looking at the historical Jewish belief and reading "back into" the text. And I'm not a coward. That's another false accusation. What have I ever done that is cowardly? I have attempted to dialogue and dissect your rabid fundamentalism and all you have done so far is failed to engage in dialogue and go and make childish names up like "Romanist." Also, it was you who adminned in Fitzy's room, despite his despicable un-christian behavior, and participated in a room that meant to mock, clone, and attack Catholic rooms and Catholic users on Paltalk. Those are things you'll have to answer to before God, not me"

Firstly, I haven't adminned in fitzy's room since 2013. While fitzy allows me in his room, he doesn't make me the admin anymore. I do remember admining last year in his room before but:

A. That was long before I began my apologetic videos on YouTube.

And B. I do not admin in other rooms or his anymore except mine. Know what that means, I haven't admined in his room for MANY MONTHS.

I don't even admin in rooms except mine these days. Also I have spoken with fitzy himself, he doesn't clone Catholic rooms.

Also, You don't stand against savedbybaptism or anyone else who has lied about me (cbd94, Dk Man and MustphaShagsAisha) and rebuke them when I have been in the room, namely when I was accused of attacking Shamoun, YOU JOINED IN, thus guilty by association and cooperation, thus you are a coward for not speaking against them. Though you have warned me about some individuals, why is it when I was in the room attacked by them you didn't oppose them, but joined in with them? In fact as I have said in a comments page on this blog:  
"you threatened to tell Sam Shamoun that I was accusing him of cloning me (who said that i cant remember) but when I made it clear i never accused Shamoun and what I actually said in the room was "the Sam I knew wouldn't do that." You threatened to dob me and jonnykzj in for something he and I never said"

I think cbd was the first now that I think about it but I could be wrong, but that doesn't change the fact you and Dk man were willing to join in with his false accusation. As you said "Those are things you'll have to answer to before God, not me" :)

Furthermore, fitzy is not online all the time so and I don't go on Paltalk all the time. There are better things to do than spend your existence in a chat room.

Christ himself took the Pharisees' back to the Biblical text whenever he was confronted on an issue, so obviously Jesus held to Sola Scriptura and again Sola Scriptura has no problem using tradition, SOLO Scriptura as you have already been told denies the usage of tradition.

You can easily discern there is a monotheistic deity in the TANAKH anyway from the Shema (Deuternomy 6:4), Isaiah 42:8, Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 45:5 etc. There is nothing wrong with looking at 1st Century Judaism either, Sola Scriptura doesn't reject historical study either.

Answering Judaism.

Tuesday, 23 September 2014

Comments on Psalm 2

Let's look at what Psalm 2 is speaking about:
"Psalm 2
1 Why do the nations conspire[a]
    and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth rise up
    and the rulers band together
    against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break their chains
    and throw off their shackles.”
4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
    the Lord scoffs at them.
5 He rebukes them in his anger
    and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
6 “I have installed my king
    on Zion, my holy mountain.”
7 I will proclaim the Lord’s decree:

He said to me, “You are my son;
    today I have become your father.
8 Ask me,
    and I will make the nations your inheritance,
    the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You will break them with a rod of iron[b];
    you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”
10 Therefore, you kings, be wise;
    be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear
    and celebrate his rule with trembling.
12 Kiss his son, or he will be angry
    and your way will lead to your destruction,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
    Blessed are all who take refuge in him."

The context refers to King David historically and refers to Jesus messianicly and our putting out trust in him. If Jesus is the truth and the NT itself is correct that Jesus is in the Psalms, then we can safely put our trust in him.

To start with, David's enemies are plotting and conspiring against him in order to try and destroy him and has a future application with the world at large coming against Jesus and even in his day he certainly had the Pharisaical leaders to contend with.

God is laughing against David's enemies and the enemies of the Messianic king for their destruction is coming and the New Zion is established in Jerusalem in Israel. David in Psalm 2 is given power to rule against the nations and will not be overcome by his enemies for God is with him and Jesus is given power to do the same by The Father in heaven. Both will be powerful rulers backed to the helm by the Father who will not be opposed.

Submission to the King of Israel and the Messianic King is called for in the context of the chapter and those who don't will be destroyed. Those however who allow the King of Israel and the Messianic king to rule over them shall indeed dwell securely for as long as they live.

One point to make about sonship here is this: Jesus has two sonships in the New Testament, a divine sonship and a royal sonship as I have mentioned before in the past. Solomon is adopted as God's son and also has a royal sonship. David also is like Solomon in this regard.

The only difference is that David and Solomon a sons by adoption and only Jesus is the divine son from eternity. All do have in common that they have a royal sonship. Within these texts, they refer to the coronation of the Kings Solomon and David. This is royal sonship. Although Jesus was the Son from eternity, the sonship that is spoken of in Hebrews 1:5-8 is sonship in terms of his coronation, which occurred after his resurrection and sat at the Father's righthand. All three events that I have mentioned are to do with the coronation of the Messianic King. David,  Solomon, then the Messiah himself.

"Hebrew 1:For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
    today I have become your Father”[a]?
Or again,
“I will be his Father,
    and he will be my Son”[b]?
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”[c]
In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
    and his servants flames of fire.”[d]
But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
    a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
"

These are my thoughts on Psalm 2.

Answering Judaism.

Sunday, 21 September 2014

Mark of the Beast: Can you be saved from it?

Can someone be saved by taking the Mark of the Beast? The answer is a catergorical no.

This is what Revelation 14 says:
"Revelation 14:9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”
"

While the nature of the mark as to whether it's physical or spiritual is disputed, one thing is as clear as day, those who are deceived by the Anti-Christ themselves shall not be saved.

The context is not a question of whether or not someone who has taken the mark has the oppotunity to repent, is an irrelevent point in the first place, because those who follow the Anti-Christ at the end of days will not have the incentive to actually repent.

There is a difference between an unforgivable sin and a sin that a person is not forgiven of because of their no repentance or lack thereof.

The people who take Anti-Christ's mark, do not have forgiveness robbed from them for one simple reason, They will not repent anyway and because they will not repent, they will not be forgiven.

The question of being forgiven after turning away from Anti-Christ is not even raised by the author of the book of Revelation, simply due to the fact that those are decieved by him will not seek forgiveness, hence it would be pointless to even suggest or entertain that idea.

Whether John Macarthur teaches this or not is another question but if this he is what he is teaching that one can be saved despite taking the mark, he has (I am not trying to be offensive towards him here) missed the point that the passage is trying to make.

Answering Judaism.

Friday, 19 September 2014

Importance of learning

It has been some time since I have listened or read what counter missionaries have had to say but I am familar with some but not every counter missionary. Specific ones include Yisroel Blumenthal, Tovia Singer, Eli Cohen, Moshe Shulman, Tzvi Jacobson etc. I don't spend all my time listening to counter missionaries but I have looked at some of their material.

I need to get back into listening to some more if the Lord Wills.

I need to be very clear that if one desires to be an apologist, he needs to listen to the other side. But even then, we need to be grounded in the TANAKH and the NT so that we are not lead astray by falsehood and can hold onto the truth.

I am happy to learn from Jews and get a better understanding of what they believe rather than strawman what they were saying. Speaking even with Jews gets me thinking about what they are saying and to see if that fits with both scriptures

Let us pray that the Father preserves us through his Son via his Spirit. Let the Triune God preserve us forever.

Answering Judaism.

Tuesday, 16 September 2014

John 17:11-12: Possession of YHWH's name.

On Monday 15th of September 2014, I had the pleasure of partly seeing a discussion that took places between Sam Shamoun and AngelQueenFox, a Jehovah's Witness on Paltalk.

One of the texts that was brought up in the room was the text of John 17:11-12 which says the following:

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

The whole premise behind Shamoun's point was Jesus was given the name of Jehovah or YHWH and must be Jehovah for Jehovah doesn't share that eternal name with any creature (Amendments can be made to this if I have misheard what Sam said)

Angel kept trying to make the point that all the prophets had the name of Jehovah given to them trying to say that it doesn't prove his point. However there is a problem.

Angel is comparing apples and oranges, because no prophet was given the name of Jehovah and pointing out that a prophet has God's name in their name (Elijah or Eliyahu or YHWH is my God or Isaiah aka Yeshayahu or YHWH saves) is not the same as one being given the name of God, for no man can call himself Jehovah.

If Jesus was claiming Jehovah's name as his and that the Father gave him that name, that would bolster Jesus' claims to deity rather than refute them.

If I have misheard what Sam Shamoun has argued, he can correct me if he is reading this paper.

Answering Judaism.

Sunday, 14 September 2014

Comments on False Prophets

False prophets are no doubt a serious subject which sadly many individuals overlook.

When the discussion is brought to the table, more often than not some notable false prophets who have been publically exposed as such, some of their listeners flock to their defence, claiming that the person preaches the true gospel or we should not touch them for they are God's anointed.

Be that as it may, it's irrelevant that the false prophet may preach some semblance of biblical truth or are the closest to being the most biblical teachers around, those who claim to be prophets don't get a free pass, nor are they above examination simply that they  claim to be God's anointed.

Every prophet no matter who they are must be held to account if what they say doesn't come to pass.

Jesus' own reliability hinges on his resurrection, and if his resurrection happened, his claims about himself are automatically true and it is a sign of God's approval that had been sent by God.

I demonstrate in my articles on Deuteronomy 13 why the resurrection is not counted among the signs and wonders that a false prophet can do, see my articles on this topic for more information:
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/deuteronomy-13-question-of-vindication.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/deuteronomy-13-question-of-vindication-2.html
http://answering-judaism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/spiritual-experiences-what-can-they.html

Prophets outside of the canon of scripture are indeed to be held to scrutiny and held accountable to the Bible itself.

False prophecy is NOT an issue to gloss over and it doesn't matter to me if they have an orthodox Christology or even biblical soteriology, if someone makes a false prophecy, they are to be avoided and if possible, be brought to repentance.

Even if a false prophet can expound a biblical gospel, what of the teachers they may endorse? Namely those who are notorious false prophets and have been exposed. Endorsement of a false prophet is just as bad as engaging in false prophecy.

Think carefully and discern who are the true prophets and who are not. Don't let yourself be led astray by anyone who comes along claiming divine revelation.

Answering Judaism.