tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3335270607657867160.post5980891222510660878..comments2023-03-01T11:37:09.936-08:00Comments on Answering Judaism: YHWH Returns: Response to Maestro M. Erano Evangelista on the second coming of Jesus 3Answering Judaismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08118361261862962380noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3335270607657867160.post-6981646652968577402014-05-13T10:05:51.152-07:002014-05-13T10:05:51.152-07:00Also in certain cases, such as visions and the bur...Also in certain cases, such as visions and the burning bush, God veils his glory to the person. In Exodus 20, the Israelites were terrified of dying at the awesome sight of God. Even Isaiah in his book said "woe to me I am a man of unclean lips".<br /><br />The incident with Jacob is an example of veiled glory.Answering Judaismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08118361261862962380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3335270607657867160.post-74357552576129677252014-05-13T10:05:14.059-07:002014-05-13T10:05:14.059-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Answering Judaismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08118361261862962380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3335270607657867160.post-52344426489423289242014-05-13T10:00:59.827-07:002014-05-13T10:00:59.827-07:00You are correct about the Elohim point. But, I did...You are correct about the Elohim point. But, I didn't merely say it was an ordinary angel, I said it was the angel or the LORD, an Old Testament manifestation of Jesus. Your appeal to Hosea doesn't help you. What angel causes a man to say "I have seen God and yet live". This isn't an ordinary Elohim as in the context of the passages you mentioned or even a place like Exodus 3 where Moses is made God to Pharaoh.Answering Judaismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08118361261862962380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3335270607657867160.post-51314398488317928262014-05-12T12:25:05.983-07:002014-05-12T12:25:05.983-07:00You have no basis for your claim that Yaacov wrest...You have no basis for your claim that Yaacov wrestled with Hashem who took the form of a man. Hoshea clearly tells us that Yaacov wrestled with a "malach" which in Hebrew means a messenger or angel sent from Hashem. The word "elohim" is frequently used in the Hebrew Bible to refers to angelic messengers (Psalm 8:6) human messengers (Gen 32:4) and those who represent Hashem, for example, judges (Exo 22:7-8).<br /><br />In Gen 32:31 Yaacov is simply stating he saw an "elohim"=angel face to face. Hashem tells us that no man can actually see His face and live- ergo the entire scenario is really about the malach- a messenger of Hashem, subservient to Hashem. It is not about Hashem becoming a man.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14383015622745198194noreply@blogger.com